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9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

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9/11-investigator said:
Very good, FineWine, she was not. She died from typhus like most inmates who died in the camps.

But how many people know that?

So why is it that of all persons they choose her as the icon of the holocaust, where she was killed as a consequence of the war effort of the Allies. A good laywer could defend the case that she was (indirectly and unintentionally) killed by the Allies rather than the Germans. Her sister, same story. Her father, Otto Frank, was even treated in a hospital and survived the war and the camps. But that doesn't match at all with the conventional horror explanation of what happened in the camps.
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I knew it...and I never read Anne Frank's diary. I think most people who have heard of Anne Frank know. My recollection was they said it explicitly when I visited the Frank house in Amsterdam.

But, here's the bigger question, it seems to me, what threat to the great German Reich did a 15 year old girl pose that she ended up in a camp where thousands of other people were exposed to and dying of typhus (one must assme because of the unsanitary and poor conditions)?

Why, in short, was a 15 year old girl behind barbed wire in the first place? Why was her sister there? Why was her mother there? What was the reason?

Ah, they were Jews. So, the German occupation government of Holland -- not by your estimation at all interested in illiminating Jews by any means other than maybe benign neglect -- arrested -(sorry took them into protective custody for their own good) children and shipped them to a camp where food was not available and sanitary conditions were so terrible that the children, got sick and died.

Now, take the "gas chambers" out of the equation for a moment (which you really can't because the orders and engineering drawings for the building of the gas chambers and crematoria are available), what you have here is a systematic effort by a government (Nazi) Germany to, at the very least, put children into a facility where their chances of survival (because of food shortages and unsanitary conditions) were minimal.

In short: a government sponsored program to incarcerate and starve childrento death or otherwise expose them to deadly disease. That death was as certain as a gas chamber. It was part of a deliberate Nazi government goal. And, putting Jews in harms way was a particular and specific goal of the operation.

But then, your not really arguing, are you, that the Nazis weren't targeting Jews? Or that Jews died? Your argument is with the assertion of the technique of gassing Jews, correct? Or is it all of the alleged deaths? The mass shootings in the Ukraine? The death by Ghettoization in Poland in Eastern Europe? The medical experimentation? The gassing of non-jews but mentally defective germans? The systematic starvation and death by exposure of millions of Russian POWs?

And, if at the end of the day, only a million Jews dies, hell 100,00, and they died specifically because they were the target of racist policies by the Nazis that singled them out...than it seems to me you've got a holocaust of one kind or another -- and one of such proportion that every one who hung at Nurenberg deserved to be hung for.

My point is, if all the Germans did was allow one 15/16 year old girl to die in a camp, surrounded by dogs, gaurds, electric wires, and they allowed her to die because of starvation and exposure to otherwise controllable conditions such as typhus, than all of Germany and its leadership is guilty of murder. Multiply that number by ten, 100 or 1,000,000 or 6,000,000 it doesn't make it any less of a horrible crime...

Obviously, there is no level of proof that you would accept, so why pretend?
 
9/11-investigator said:
Perhaps they fled to the East, just like many German Jews fled to Britain or America during the thirties.
Same story. We cannot decide here where they did go to.
That's true. So where did they go, that's the question.
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Fine.

So, where are the Russian villages that saw such an increase in population at the time? The one with a high proportions of Jews and the many inhabitation dating back from WWII?

Where are the stories of villagers? Reports from soldiers on both sides? Such a massive number of people would have migrated. And it was a war-front too, so people where actively watching for people crossing. They could have been commandos after all. How come we are not crawling under reports from these soldiers?

And why didn't these people come forward at any time after the war?



There is no reason to believe any migration happen.
On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence for the holocaust.
 
You don't understand, to this troll, the absence of evidence that Jews moved "East" and lived happilly ever after is evidence that Jews moved East and lived happilly ever after.

It also shows his intellectual limitations as well as the limitations of his argument. He will not accept witness statements, trial, documents, photographs and movies as "proof"....but where there are no documents, photos, witnesses, etc. such as in the fantasy "maybe they moved East..." that is all the proof he needs.
 
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Yeah.

Denialist, and the other form of apologetists, all work the same way don't they?
They start with their conclusion already formed and make excuses to justify them.

In that particular case, it is so particularly odious because it requires treating the victims as so many liars.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Perhaps they fled to the East, just like many German Jews fled to Britain or America during the thirties.
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300,000 jews were left in Germany by 1939. most of them were murdered by the Nazis.

do you have any evidence that 5 million Jews or so fled to the USSR?

the funny thing, the Soviet Jewish population decreased between 1939 and 1945...NOT increased.

Ukraine lost at least 1 million Jews, and the Baltics plus Belarus probably lost 700,000 or so. Russia itself also lost many Jews.

so...maybe they went further East? maybe the Jews went to China?

maybe they went to that magical land to the East..that no one heard about before?

maybe the 5 million Jews went to Fantasia? Atlantas? Panacea?

Holocaust denial is soo lame.
 
HeyLeroy said:
Only about 30,000...

9/11 investigator: You seem to be overlooking the links I've provided.

Why?
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conspiracy theorists are known for wanting everyone to be open minded...while at the same time denying ALL evidence that challenges their pre-determined beliefs.

9-11 Investigator does not believe the Holocaust happened. Therefore, all evidence that suggests it did happen, is null and void.
 
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Museums, the death camps themselves, people confessing to killing them, Jews talking about how their family members would brutally murdered, Hitler papers talking about them doing it...
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I feel that I must correct you here. The plural of "museum" is "musea".
 
And the Truthers wonder why people regard their movement in such contempt. That it welcomes people like 9/11 Investigator could not have anything to do with it; no sirree.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Nobody denies the massive deportation programs the Nazis carried out. But how do you know these people died?! Did the evil Nazis send a card? Of course not. They were missing. There was no internet back then to make it easy for people to find each other again. You yourself give the example of people from Belgium ending up in Britain and America. How should they be able to find each other once separated? Almost impossible. You are assuming they died but you do not know.
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Because it is so common for people to vanish from the face of the Earth and never to be seen again...

Millions of people don't disappear into thin air. Hitler said he wanted to kill inferior races. Perhaps I'm a tad aprioristic but I think Hitler had them killed.
 
I see that Eichmann's defense has already been brought up. In the same vein we might note that of all the defendants at the IMT in Nuremberg, not a single one even tried to deny the reality of the crimes committed by Nazi Germany.

Instead of "hey- this is a put-up job! None of this ---- ever happened!" it was, uniformly, "I am not responsible for these acts", which implicitly recognized their reality.

Why would that be?
 
ktesibios said:
I see that Eichmann's defense has already been brought up. In the same vein we might note that of all the defendants at the IMT in Nuremberg, not a single one even tried to deny the reality of the crimes committed by Nazi Germany.

Instead of "hey- this is a put-up job! None of this ---- ever happened!" it was, uniformly, "I am not responsible for these acts", which implicitly recognized their reality.

Why would that be?
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Off topic a little, but didn't Eichmann's defense inspire the Milgram experiment?
 
ktesibios said:
I see that Eichmann's defense has already been brought up. In the same vein we might note that of all the defendants at the IMT in Nuremberg, not a single one even tried to deny the reality of the crimes committed by Nazi Germany.

Instead of "hey- this is a put-up job! None of this ---- ever happened!" it was, uniformly, "I am not responsible for these acts", which implicitly recognized their reality.

Why would that be?
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Isn't this a truly amazing phenomenon? All these Nazi war criminals on trial for their lives and NOT ONE of them thinks to deny the reality underlying
the charges against them! Holocaust-denying psychos will refexively bray that "they were coerced." Excuse me, how is it possible to coerce someone who is going to be executed?

The Holocaust-deniers usually play a stupid game. They find two survivors of the camps, doddering nonagenarians, who disagree over the color of a particularly sadistic guard's eyes. Aha, crow the evil jackasses, that proves there was no guard! Well, it doesn't, but it also skips past a far more important point.

NONE of the leading Nazis ever thought of the arguments advanced by today's Nazis.
 
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