Why a one-way Crush down is not possible

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tfk said:
Look, Steve, some kids just don't learn. You called me "a liar". Again. After I strongly suggested you not do that.

I'm guessing that you're around 18. True? Everything about your posts screams "Young&Stupid". Your writing ain't bad, but your logic is adolescent.

Your comment that "people can get fired for what they say about the government" proves that you've never had any role in hiring or in firing anybody.

You're full of quaint, adolescent ideas. Especially about how corrupt or timid are all those "other people" in society. You're wrong. (That, right there, is your "skewed belief".) Some day, when you grow up, you might learn how wrong you are. Until then, you are your parent's problem.

If you have any arguments more mature than "all those old fogies are evil or cowards", feel free to bring it up. With a little more respectful tone, perhaps. Just a suggestion. If you do it that way, maybe you'll get a bit less condescension.

Tom
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What are the chances he'll respond to my post #2496?
 
posting my latest model here
although theres some problem with the floor texture i gotta figure out :(



64 levels
2305 pieces
 
Gamolon said:
So what you are saying is that the "L" shaped floor truss conenctions, all 60 of them (30 along one wall and 30 along the other) held the downward force of the upper mass enough for the perimeter column walls to "slice through the reinforced concrete floor?

Really?
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Yes, below the thin concrete was floor truss of wire rods and it is, in fact, the latter that breaks first. Thus the load of the column applied on the floor that breaks the truss of rods cannot be transmitted to the L shaped floor truss connection and break it.

So repeat, column apply load on floor! Floor truss rods fail (actually the rod acting as flange), the concrete cracks and "hinges" down and breaks. The truss end connections should remain intact. The floor truss is the weakest element and thus breaks first.
 
Deep,

deep44 said:
No, because that's not what we're talking about. tfk said it is proven that AE911T members are all incompetent because they haven't published 100 peer-reviewed papers by now (please see his original post for the exact quote).

That is an unsupported opinion, not a fact.
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I said lots of things. What you have excerpted here is a typical little quote mine of my comments.

I said:
1. It is my OPINION that few people on the ae911 list have prerequisite backgrounds to competently critique the NIST report.

I stated that it's a fact that:
2. A bunch of the related engineers are "baby engineers".
3. Anyone who said immediately "that's fishy" was incompetent.
4. The folks at ae911t have produce NO (as in zero, not one) paper in a peer reviewed journal (read to the end of the sentence, deep) that has stood up to subsequent critique and independent verification.
5. I said that "productivity is a component of competence", and by this measure, they are incompetent.

All of which I stand behind.

There have been about 200 papers that I know of that have been published in peer reviewed journals that do support NIST's findings.
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Elaborating:
Competence & incompetence is topic specific. I was clearly addressing their lack of competence in the fields related to 9/11 topics. Not their own fields.

Steven Jones is a classic example. He is superbly competent in the field of nuclear physics, especially muon mediated cold fusion. He is abjectly incompetent in mechanical or structural engineering. I've listened to at least 3 of his talks to his college students & 9/11 CT conventions. It was PAINFUL.

He had the unmitigated incompetence to state that the 2nd law of thermodynamics prohibited the towers from falling straight downward. This is engineering incompetence of the highest (lowest?) order.
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I know that "quote mining" is what you do. It's truly annoying.

Why don't you try switching to adult conversation. You know, asking people what they think, instead of telling them what they think. Trying to understand concepts with some depth, instead of playing "gotcha" with phraseology.

tom
 
Gamolon said:
Heiwa, have an answer to this incorrect statement on your site?




Are you going to correct that since there is this evidence?
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I have seen those photos. A second later WTC 2 visibly explodes and top part C tilts over and disappears. I suggest the deformation of the wall is a result of the CD seen externally a fraction of a second later.
 
Justin39640 said:
posting my latest model here
although theres some problem with the floor texture i gotta figure out :(



64 levels
2305 pieces
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You are supposed to drop a real upper part C on a real lower part A! Also some details of the various, real elements would help.
 
Heiwa:
I suggest the deformation of the wall is a result of the CD seen externally a fraction of a second later.
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And that suggestion, with the greatest of respect, would mean you're an idiot.

Politeness Man throws his Steel Hankie....remember, it is attack the argument and not the arguer (Rule 12 of your Membership Agreement).
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Heiwa said:
Yes, below the thin concrete was floor truss of wire rods and it is, in fact, the latter that breaks first. Thus the load of the column applied on the floor that breaks the truss of rods cannot be transmitted to the L shaped floor truss connection and break it.

So repeat, column apply load on floor! Floor truss rods fail (actually the rod acting as flange), the concrete cracks and "hinges" down and breaks. The truss end connections should remain intact. The floor truss is the weakest element and thus breaks first.
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Those columns that were falling away from the building were not applying too many loads, O mighty nautical engineer. The columns required for your mad fantasy were no longer there.
 
Heiwa said:
You are supposed to drop a real upper part C on a real lower part A! Also some details of the various, real elements would help.
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Heiwa, you still haven't answered the basic questions:

Do you have 1 million dollars to actually give the winner?

Can you show any substantial proof that you actually have the money?

You're in danger of conducting fraud if you persist in offering something you don't have. There could be legal consequences.

Heiwa, are you a con-man, or do you have the money? Answer the question!
 
Heiwa said:
I have seen those photos. A second later WTC 2 visibly explodes and top part C tilts over and disappears. I suggest the deformation of the wall is a result of the CD seen externally a fraction of a second later.
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Stop lying. Your nonsense about the top of the building "exploding" has been exposed as a falsehood. Cut it out.
 
FineWine said:
Stop lying. Your nonsense about the top of the building "exploding" has been exposed as a falsehood. Cut it out.
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that was the slowest explosion ive ever seen
looked like the speed youd expect air to move when something is forcing it out of where it just was....
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
alien:
You're in danger of conducting fraud if you persist in offering something you don't have. There could be legal consequences.

Heiwa, are you a con-man, or do you have the money? Answer the question!
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You know those spam emails that arrive from some obscure African location telling you that you will inherit a million pounds if you give name, address and phone number? I think Heiwa might not be too much of a stranger to them.
 
alienentity said:
hehe... how'd you stop 'C' from bouncing off 'A'? What a trickster you are - using gravity, isn't that cheating?
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No, no, you don't understand. Gravity works, uh, when it works. The rest of the time, it, uh, does something else. If I haven't made myself clear, read my paper and then we'll talk.
 
Justin39640 said:
even better and a little discussed thing (at least by one side of the issue)

GRAVITY
lol

gotta love physics engines
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I'd love to watch a 110-level demonstration with the top 13 crushing the other 97 by gravity.Just to see how convincing it looks. Can you do that ?
 
Oscar said:
alien:


You know those spam emails that arrive from some obscure African location telling you that you inherit a million pounds if you give name, address and phone number? I think Heiwa might not be too much of a stranger to them.
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Good point. Only I think the last one I received was offering 400,000,000. Even Heiwa doesn't have that kind of fake credit:D

Note to Steve Austin (MIA)

 
bill smith said:
I'd love to watch a 110-level demonstration with the top 13 crushing the other 97 by gravity.Just to see how convincing it looks. Can you do that ?
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Here's what we CAN do. Crash a fully-fueled commercial airliner into, say, floors 93-99. Make sure it severs several perimeter and core columns. Let the extensive fires started by the jet fuel and fed by all the combustibles commonly found in large office buildings go unfought. Watch the structural steel gradually weaken until the external columns begin to buckle. When the top thirteen floors give way and start to collapse, watch how they add the floor immediately below them to their mass. Notice how the momentum of the collapse increases with the added mass. Watch the collapse mechanism operate VERY QUICKLY, as the fourteen falling floors become fifteen, sixteen, twenty-five, forty, sixty, eight-five--watch until the building has been destroyed.

You are amazing. Nobody can be this dense.
 
FineWine said:
Here's what we CAN do. Crash a fully-fueled commercial airliner into, say, floors 93-99. Make sure it severs several perimeter and core columns. Let the extensive fires started by the jet fuel and fed by all the combustibles commonly found in large office buildings go unfought. Watch the structural steel gradually weaken until the external columns begin to buckle. When the top thirteen floors give way and start to collapse, watch how they add the floor immediately below them to their mass. Notice how the momentum of the collapse increases with the added mass. Watch the collapse mechanism operate VERY QUICKLY, as the fourteen falling floors become fifteen, sixteen, twenty-five, forty, sixty, eight-five--watch until the building has been destroyed.



You are amazing. Nobody can be this dense.
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Nah...I just want to see how convincing it would look. You never know- it might even persuade me. I just want to see the top 13 floors crushing the other 97 floors down to the ground- to see how it looks. Then I'll probably say to myself 'lust imagine- those top 13 floors are the lightest of the whole building and just see how they go crush crush crush''

'\Do you think Justin will make the model ? lol
 
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