Deeper than primes

[zooterkin]

Do you think that Quantum computers
can be built by using of traditional Mathematics ?

Do you think they can be built using Organic Maths?

 

[catbasket]

She looked your papers over (the ones I mailed her) and told me (I quote):
"These people do not have the slightest inkling about Quantum Mechanics, do they? They verbally introduce uncertainty and the whole 1-dim thing is just silly; it makes it completely unusable in QM; it needs to be possible to divide any line up into infinity because of the statistical uncertainty, not the semantic uncertainty."

It is nice from you that you share OM with one of your college
Maybe it's a first step for collaboration with us.

More likely not. 'Silly' is not a compliment.

 

[MosheKlein]

For every genius whose revolutionary work is not recognized by the establishment because it is too advanced, there are 3,445,087 cranks whose work is not recognized by the establishment because it's just plain wrong and/or meaningless.

Don't tell anybody, but I think chances are you and Doron belong to the latter camp.

I can see your point of view. Will you agree to give more chance to the first possibility if I let you know that there are people who view this forum, don't write here but sent me direct e-mail of support ?

Moshe

gan_adam@netvision.net.il

 

[zooterkin]

I can see your point of view. Will you agree to give more chance to the first possibility if I let you know that there are people who view this forum, don't write here but sent me direct e-mail of support ?

Not really; it's possible they are as deluded as you, or don't understand that you haven't actually proposed anything yet, or may simply be winding you up. You might gain some credibility if you can give some worked example of using OM, or some demonstration of what you can do with it that you cannot do with conventional maths.

 

[MosheKlein]

You have missed it.

The aim of guiding you to this video (which I do not agree with) is to show that even what is called electrical pulses along neurons are nothing but a serial view of Non-locality\Locality linkage.

You are following only the story like any verbal-only-oriented system, and missing direct perception as the source of any verbal expression (abstract or not).

For example, in this video they interpret perception as idea, and fail exactly like anyone how gets perception as a verbal interpretation.

OM says exactly the opposite: direct perception is not an idea about direct perception exactly as the idea "silence" (even if it is only thinkable and not vocally expressible) is not silence.

Hi Doron,

I have just looked on this nice video - thank for the link.
It try to describe a new world by using an old language.
OM is creating the right bridge since it demonstrate the transformation
on the most fundamental concept which is the concept of the Number.

Moshe

 

[doronshadmi]

it needs to be possible to divide any line up into infinity

So tell to your friend that non-locality is not infinitely many localities, and this is exactly why QM statistical calculations have to deal also with superposition of identities.

Your friend uses an obsolete calculation tool that ignores the non-local aspects of the researched, exactly because he reduces it to infinitely many localities.

As long as Non-locality will be reduced to Locality, not even a single QM computer will be built.

 

[MosheKlein]

Do you think they can be built using Organic Maths?

OM answer for you is :

How it will be possible to built QC ( Quantum computers) by EM ( Euclidian mathematics) if physicist came already to the conclusion that it is the time to develop New Mathematics that will be more fit to the the Quantum universe ?

 

[zooterkin]

<gibberish elided>

As long as Non-locality will be reduced to Locality, not even a single QM computer will be built.

I hate to break it to you, but it's already been done.

Although quantum computing is still in its infancy, experiments have been carried out in which quantum computational operations were executed on a very small number of qubits (quantum binary digits).

 

[zooterkin]

OM answer for you is :

How it will be possible to built QC ( Quantum computers) by EM ( Euclidian mathematics) if physicist came already to the conclusion that it is the time to develop New Mathematics that will be more fit to the the Quantum universe ?

Stop dodging the question; this thread is about OM and what it's useful for. You are implying that OM is useful, but not actually giving examples. Can you build quantum computers using OM?

 

[doronshadmi]

Hi Doron,

I have just looked on this nice video - thank for the link.
It try to describe a new world by using an old language.
OM is creating the right bridge since it demonstrate the transformation
on the most fundamental concept which is the concept of the Number.

Moshe

This video is a woo woo syllogism (perceptions are only internal ideas) and I disagree with it, but it can be a good tool to show that even syllogism can't avoid Non-locality\Locality linkage.

 

[MosheKlein]

So tell to your friend that non-locality is not infinitely many localities, and this is exactly why QM statistical calculations have to deal also with superposition of identities.

Your friend uses an obsolete calculation tool that ignores the non-local aspects of the researched, exactly because he reduces it to infinitely many localities.

As long as Non-locality will be reduced to Locality, not even a single QM computer will be built.

I think that H.Bergson wrote already about this important insight about a line and a point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Bergson

 

[MosheKlein]

Stop dodging the question; this thread is about OM and what it's useful for. You are implying that OM is useful, but not actually giving examples. Can you build quantum computers using OM?

If you don't understand OM then you can't understand what is QC
Accelerating the speed of TM close to C (speed of light)
will not lead to QC effect. for real QC you need C+ effect

 

[zooterkin]

If you don't understand OM then you can't understand what is QC
Accelerating the speed of TM close to C (speed of light)
will not lead to QC effect. for real QC you need C+ effect

TM?

And are you saying you need to accelerate something to faster than the speed of light for quantum computing to work? If so, then you're talking about your own version of QC.

 

[MosheKlein]

Not really; it's possible they are as deluded as you, or don't understand that you haven't actually proposed anything yet, or may simply be winding you up. You might gain some credibility if you can give some worked example of using OM, or some demonstration of what you can do with it that you cannot do with conventional maths.

well here is one of the mails which I recive :
====================================
Dear Moshe Klein

What relationship if any is there between OM and Projective Geometry?

Regards

...

 

[doronshadmi]

Stop dodging the question; this thread is about OM and what it's useful for. You are implying that OM is useful, but not actually giving examples. Can you build quantum computers using OM?

zooterkin what is called Organic Number is both the Quantum Computer and the tool that enables to use it.

In Organic Mathematics there is no dichotomy between the calculated and the calculator, because both of them are simply two aspects of a one organism.

Bye bye Dichotomy.

Wellcome Organism.

 

[MosheKlein]

TM?

And are you saying you need to accelerate something to faster than the speed of light for quantum computing to work? If so, then you're talking about your own version of QC.

TM = Turing machine.

what is EPR if not about breaking the speed of light.

 

[zooterkin]

Just to remind you what you said:

I can see your point of view. Will you agree to give more chance to the first possibility if I let you know that there are people who view this forum, don't write here but sent me direct e-mail of support ?

well here is one of the mails which I recive :
====================================
Dear Moshe Klein

What relationship if any is there between OM and Projective Geometry?

Regards

...

Now, please explain in what way that is an expression of support?

 

[zooterkin]

TM = Turing machine.

what is EPR if not about breaking the speed of light.

EPR?

ETA: Never mind, found it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox

Now, please explain, in your own words, what that has to do with quantum computing.

 

[dlorde]

Do you think that Quantum computers
can be built by using of traditional Mathematics ?

Of course they will be built using traditional mathematics and contemporary physics. They will be physical structures of metal and plastic, etc., like any other computer. They will operate using a mix of classical and QM principles, and run software (such as Shor's algorithm) that is a mix of classical and QM algorithms.

Do you have some example of an OM algorithm that might be useful for quantum computing?

Do you have any worked example of OM in use for anything at all ? By example, I mean written OM expressions that have some function and purpose.

 

[MosheKlein]

zooterkin what is called Organic Number is both the Quantum computer and the tool that enables to use it.

In Organic Mathematics there is no difference between the calculated and the calculator, because both of them are simply two aspects of a one organism.

Bye bye Dichotomy.

Wellcome Organism.

Great answer I like that

have you heard that A.Aspect is considering again if his experiment ( 1981) really relevant to EPR ?