29 Structural & Civil Engineers Cite Evidence for Controlled Explosive Demolition

[The Platypus]

Get out of town. It is not necessary to be an engineer to see that there is much more debris damage on floors 8 and 9 that on floor 13. You are just looking for a reason to deny the obvious.

I'm not denying the obvious... the obvious is that your not an engineer and you don't know what your talking about.

 

[The Platypus]

When faced with obvious facts that refute the NIST report JERFers flagrantly ignore Rule 12 in a vain attempt to deny what they cannot deal with.

Selective inforcement of Rule 12 noted.

You have given no "obvious facts" just "rant rant rant". Who do you think your trying to kid with this crap? Everyone is not as gullible and easily fooled as you are. You are just a drone, playing the same games, reciting the same sales pitches, using the same tactics as every other drone that i have seen. All you have given is an obsession with a pointless minute detail, that has been repeatedly explained to you.

If you think you are fooling anyone about your own denial, delusion and inability to cope, by constantly pointing that finger at everyone else and pumping that snake oil sales pitch over and over, anyone can see that you aren't.

Dealing with this is quite easy. Only a gullible sucker wouldn't be able see right through your constant attempts at selling snake oil, and how you think it makes you some big shot. Your delusions of grandeur and arrogance and laughable and show why noone should ever take anything you say seriously. Continually whining about attacks while doing plenty of attacking yourself is about as juvenile as one can get. You sure love to dish your crap out, but sure can't take it.

The fact you that you can't handle is that you are not an engineer and you have no clue what your talking about. I'll take the word of the vast majority of the world's engineering community over some joe shmoe lunatic cult member, that is ranting and raving and acting like an arrogant, know it all adolescent on the internet.

Cult members like you are always trying to coerce, scare, threaten, con, trick, manipulate, bully, delude and pigeon hole others into their cult, by any means they can. That's what you are programmed to do by your cult leaders that want more members for more money and more power.

It's the oldest con on earth, you fell for it and you're mad that everyone else won't.

 

[The Platypus]

I'd like to see proof that Christopher7 is really a carpenter.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting...

 

[Christopher7]

i found a video showing heavy debris and damage extending well north of WTC7 prior to its collapse (from the WTC1 or north tower collapse)

please please please
consider that the building may have been heavily damaged shown by evidence here

Yes, there was a lot of damage. That is not in question.
Please read pages 182-187 of NCSTAR 1-9 Vol.1. Note that the damage on floor 13 is far less than the damage on floors 8 and 9.

 

[Christopher7]

You have given no "obvious facts"

The damage on floor 13 was far less than the damage on floors 8 and 9.
That is an obvious fact.

Long violation of Rule 12 deleted.

 

[funk de fino]

The data of where the debris damage was is reasonably accurate. The data of where the fires were and when is reasonably accurate. The videos of the collapse clearly show that the screenwall and west penthouse fell almost simultaneously.

You have posted many times in the past that the photos in the reports were faked and that the fire estimates were incorrect. Are you now changing your mind on this? How can it be reasonably accurate if you think it is faked or they are lying?

You just keep digging and digging dont you?

 

[Christopher7]

You have posted many times in the past that the photos in the reports were faked and that the fire estimates were incorrect. Are you now changing your mind on this? How can it be reasonably accurate if you think it is faked or they are lying?

I have always said the fire time line in the NIST L report was consistent with the photographs.

I thought the SW corner damage was faked but excellent photo analysis by some here convinced me that was not the case.
This is a subject shift and I will not respond to it further no matter how much you whine about it.


The point at hand is the damage estimates made by NIST.

Their claim that the girder-to-column connections around Group 7 were broken on floor 13 but not broken on floors 8 and 9 where the damage was much greater is ridiculous.

Failure to address this issue directly is cowardice.

 

[tsig]

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Well, as Exhibit #1 that it clearly takes more engineering understanding than you possess to understand what happened is ...

... your continued inability to understand what happened.

And Irony #1 is the fact that you had a half dozen engineers (including me) here who were perfectly willing to put in a bunch of effort to help you understand it ...

... until your attitude and juggernaut of ignorance pissed us all off to the extent that we all now ignore you.

How ironic is THAT??!!

Ahhh, the Wages of Stupid.

tom

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[funk de fino]

I have always said the fire time line in the NIST L report was consistent with the photographs.

I thought the SW corner damage was faked but excellent photo analysis by some here convinced me that was not the case.
This is a subject shift and I will not respond to it further no matter how much you whine about it.

You have argued against the fire analysis in the final report. You said it was wrong and they made things up. You said they had faked photographs. I have yet to see you retract that accusation until now. I specifically asked you not too long ago and you did not admit the youir claims regading the photographs were wrong. You just pick and choose when you want to believe FEMA or NIST. Hypocrite.

IIRC you argued against the Appendix L using the FEMA report!!

The point at hand is the damage estimates made by NIST.

Their claim that the girder-to-column connections around Group 7 were broken on floor 13 but not broken on floors 8 and 9 where the damage was much greater is ridiculous.

Failure to address this issue directly is cowardice.

Failure to adress your contradictions and hypocrisy is stunning.

 

[The Platypus]

The damage on floor 13 was far less than the damage on floors 8 and 9.
That is an obvious fact.

Long violation of Rule 12 deleted.

The only obvious fact here is that you aren't an engineer and don't know what your talking about.

Your snake oil isn't selling, and trying to force it, isn't going to work either...

 

[tfk]

Your claims of being an engineer are worthless and your fanatic denial of the facts obvious.

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It's not a claim. It's a statement of fact.

It is a "worthless claim" to YOU, because you lack the ability to judge its veracity.

Which transforms that claim into a PERFECT illustration of your fundamental problem.

You possess zero epistemology. You have no way of determining whether some piece of information given to you is true or false.

My statement that I'm an engineer is as impenetrable to you, as indecipherable as any statement about velocities, accelerations, strength of materials, etc. Others, with no more background in engineering than you possess, would have zero trouble determining whether or not I am what I claim to be.

The fact is that you possess EVERY SINGLE piece of information that you require to verify or negate my claim with zero additional input from me.

But you don't know how to do that.

Your ONLY epistemology is "I'll believe what I WANT to believe".

And, if you could rein in your ego sufficiently to take an objective look around, you'd realize exactly how poorly that approach is working for you.

Tom

Psssst. You could verify my engineering background by showing a sampling of my posts to ANY mechanical or structural engineer.

 

[tfk]

Their claim that the girder-to-column connections around Group 7 were broken on floor 13 but not broken on floors 8 and 9 where the damage was much greater is ridiculous.

Failure to address this issue directly is cowardice.

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Continuing to address this unknowable bit of irrelevant trivia with an uninformed contrarian is pointless.

And tantamount to child abuse.

[It keeps him all worked up, and he won't go down for his nap.]

Tom

 

[alienentity]

The damage on floor 13 was far less than the damage on floors 8 and 9.
That is an obvious fact.
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C7, you've said this repeatedly. If you have a better understanding of the collapse sequence, consistent with the data, and engineering principles, I'm sure most of us would be open to reading about it.

So far you've demonstrated that you disagree with some aspects of the NIST analysis, even characterizing it as fraud (an unfortunately strong word).

We await your thoughtful, fact-based alternative analysis....please enlighten us.

cheers

AE

 

[newton3376]

Psssst. You could verify my engineering background by showing a sampling of my posts to ANY mechanical or structural engineer.

Good point....

And although I am not a mechanical or structural engineer (I'm an electrical engineer) I think it is clear from your posts that you have knowledge that is consistent with that background and experience.

Which is why most people assume you are telling the truth...unlike the "truthers".....

 

[FineWine]

When faced with obvious facts that refute the NIST report JERFers flagrantly ignore Rule 12 in a vain attempt to deny what they cannot deal with.

Selective inforcement of Rule 12 noted.

Most of us have noticed that your bogus "facts" have been refuted by the real engineers. You know nothing. You are far out of your depth, driven by an insane political agenda.

End this ridiculous charade.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

The silence speaks loudly. When there is no rebuttal, you-all refuse to respond and acknowledge the obvious reality.

And your silence to my direct question is no less loud.

Again: How do you make the impossible possible?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Good question. I'll do some research on that.

Here's another good question: How do you make the impossible possible?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

The facts are self evident and easily understood by anyone not in denial.

Like the fact that one can't make the impossible possible? Unless there's a way to do that, in which case I'm eager to know how that would be accomplished.

 

[lapman]

Their claim that the girder-to-column connections around Group 7 were broken on floor 13 but not broken on floors 8 and 9 where the damage was much greater is ridiculous.

Not necessarily. Based on the diagrams, the damage on floor 8 was all the way to the columns. This could cause a clean break. However, the damage to floor 13 would cause bowing of the floor and greater lateral load which could easily cause separation from group 7 due to the elastic deformation of group 8 and the susequent pulling on the girders between group 7 and 8.

 

[triforcharity]

You know whats sad?? Way Way back, about page 20 or so, maybe before, maybe after, I explained in GREAT DETAIL how he is wrong. The saddest part of that is this.



Wait for it..............Wait for it......................

Im not an engineer, and every engineer here agreed with me. AND IM A FIREFIGHTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How sad is THAT??? A firefighter, with no formal training in engineering, could explain why this ideas are wrong, and the experts AGREED!!!!

Wow....Just.....wow...........