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solid Surface and Photosphere II

Well, by definition, the photosphere has to be above any solid surface.
OK, you have a solid iron surface below the photosphere. The lowest level we can probe by limb darkening measurements presents a temperature about 9400 Kelvins. Iron melts at 1811 Kelvins and boils at 3134 Kelvins, at 1 atmosphere pressure. The highest melting point I know is 3800 Kelvins for carbon, also at 1 atmosphere. The pressure at the 9400 Kelvin layer is about 0.2 atmospheres, which will tend to decrease the melting & boiling temperature of anything. Now there is no avoiding the fact that the bottom layer will radiate 9400 Kelvins both up & down. So how do you protect your solid iron layer from that thermal radiation, so it does not melt? And even if you reject the validity of the 9400 Kelvins determination, we can always retreat to the well observed equivalent black body temperature of about 6000 Kelvins. After all, anything greater than 3134 Kelvins will boil your solid layer. So you will still have to find a way to protect it in any case, from being as thermodynamically impossible as Reality Check suggests.

The optical depth numbers seem to all be related to a "mixed plasma" model and a temperature structure that seems to vary quite a bit compared to what I'd expect from a dynamic double layer process.
The numbers are related to a "mixed plasma" model only in the sense that one would derive such a model from the numbers, rather than deriving the numbers from such a model. The photospheric profile is derived from limb darkening measurements (i.e., Neckel, 2003). As I have already mentioned elsewhere (post 368, post 327, post 275), the profiles are derived from the limb darkening data using standard inversion techniques. If the atmosphere were in fact stratified, it would be obvious from limb observations, when we would be looking parallel to the layers, rather then down onto the top layer. So the data are inconsistent with stratification in the visible photosphere.

The heliosiesmology data hurts your model greatly. It demonstrates a "stratification subsurface" exists in the middle of what is supposed to be an open convection zone.
Actually, no it does not. Rather, you have chosen to interpret the data from this particular source as indicative of stratification. But that interpretation is open to question at face value, and is inconsistent with the larger body of helioseismological data, so it does not stand up well to scrutiny. See my earlier post 370 where I point out that global data suggests that your discontinuity is not global, but dependent on latitude. Furthermore, as I mentioned in that post, it makes more sense to interpret the discontinuity not as a solid surface, or as any kind of "stratification subsurface", but rather as a sub surface shear (see, for instance, Green, Kosovichev & Miesch, 2006 and Green & Kosovichev, 2006).

It also shows that the downdrafting of plasma under a sunspot is a relatively shallow process with all downdrafting going horizonal around 4800KM below the surface of the photosphere. That layer seems to be interfering with both the upwelling and downdrafting of plasma.
This layer only appears to exist in the vicinity of the sunspot and is probably a result of magnetic inhibition of convection in the vicinity of the sunspot (i.e, Zhao, Kosovichev & Duvall, 2001). It is well known that sunspots are cool compared to the surrounding photosphere because the magnetic field of the sunspot inhibits the upwelling of hot gas from below, so the gas trapped in the sunspot can cool radiatively.

Furthermore those Doppler images show a "rigid feature" in them that is not consistent with "upwelling plasma".
Is this a reference to the running battle over running difference images? if not, what images & what features are you referring too?

Heliosiesmology data does not justify your solar model.
As I have shown, this is not the case.
 
Indeed, and that paper is clearly, from the abstract alone, deeply at odds with current opinion. An indication if ever there was one that one should not take the peer review of a paper as an absolute indicator of truth.

Interesting that they would put a solar model paper into the journal Physics of Atomic Nuclei. (sort of like Peratt publishing his EU stuff in IEEE).

All of 1 citation in 3 years and that by the first author! Impressive!
 

Thanks.

Mangled terminology below, probably, but hopefully my conclusions are correct:

I don't see how this helps your case. The 171 A pass band (which, I gather is also called 173 A. See e.g. Oddbjorn Engvold, John W. Harvey, Carolus J. Schrijver, Neale E. Hurlburt, The physics of the solar corona and transition region) is associated with temps from 160,000K to 2,000,000K. The Corona temp is approx 1,000,000K - 3,000,000K. Neither the Photosphere nor the Chromosphere exhibit temps higher than 20,000K (6400K max for the Photosphere - all of this from wikipedia, sorry!) so this puts them well below the detection capacity of the TRACE instrument calibrated to the 171 A pass band. So, the TRACE instrument is only capturing light from the Corona in the picture on your website. (Or, more accurately, the RD image on your website was generated from images of the Corona only). You aren't seriously suggesting that there are rigid/solid features like mountains in the Corona itself, are you?

As best as I can tell from your other posts, you are suggesting that the CME events are indirectly revealing rigid features on the surface in the same way that we might observe the movements of air masses over mountains on the Earth even if we couldn't directly observe the mountains themselves. Is this correct? But you also say flat out that the image on your website shows mountains and/or persistent rigid features. This is confusing.

This is also at odds with your analogy of the "moving" stars in the background of the LASCO images. Those images are directly showing movement of "static" features. Are the mountains on the solar surface "moving" like the stars and therefore showing up in RD images, or are they indirectly influencing the shape and behaviour of CME events?

tl;dr: TRACE instrument only captures images from Corona when 171 A pass band filter is used. Temps too high for rigid/solid features. So how can we be seeing rigid/solid features?
 
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Thanks.

Mangled terminology below, probably, but hopefully my conclusions are correct:

I don't see how this helps your case. The 171 A pass band (which, I gather is also called 173 A. See e.g. Oddbjorn Engvold, John W. Harvey, Carolus J. Schrijver, Neale E. Hurlburt, The physics of the solar corona and transition region) is associated with temps from 160,000K to 2,000,000K.

Keep in mind that the concept of a 'transition region' was *assumed* before launch. Nobody could be sure where these emissions would come from in advance, or be sure where that "transition region" is actually physically located. What is true is that to even emit photons of these wavelengths, the plasma (and only plasma could do that) must reach temperatures of at least 160,000 degrees, and more likely a million or more degrees. The only thing that reaches those temperatures on Earth are *DISCHARGES* in our atmosphere. Such events start at a "transition region" called a "crust", and rise high into the atmosphere. Sometimes they occur as pure atmospheric events. Sometimes they occur in the form of 'sprites'. There's often no "simple" or "single' possibility of where we might find such superheated plasma even in our own atmosphere. About all we can say for sure, is this plasma is *HOT*.

The Corona temp is approx 1,000,000K - 3,000,000K.

Due to Thompson scattering effects, it's not reasonable to *ASSUME* that the *ENTIRE* coronal is 3million Kelvin. Sure, loops reach those temps. Any plasma around the loop is also likely to be heated by the loop. That does no necessarily mean that the *ENTIRE* corona is hot, but assuming it is that hot we have some 'explaining to do' as to cause and effect and how it got that hot in the first place sitting on top of a relatively cool 6,000 degrees Kelvin photosphere.

Neither the Photosphere nor the Chromosphere exhibit temps higher than 20,000K (6400K max for the Photosphere - all of this from wikipedia, sorry!)

The air in our atmosphere doesn't reach a million degrees either, but the plasma in a lightening bolt sure does, and it touches the ground. You can't simply *ASSUME* that all these emissions *NECESSARILY* come from high in the atmosphere. Some of them might. Perhaps not all of them. You can't simply "assume" that from the start as LMSAL did before launch. They made a systematic assumption from the beginning of their analysis process that was suspect from the start. They *ASSUMED* a location prior to launch.

so this puts them well below the detection capacity of the TRACE instrument calibrated to the 171 A pass band. So, the TRACE instrument is only capturing light from the Corona in the picture on your website. (Or, more accurately, the RD image on your website was generated from images of the Corona only). You aren't seriously suggesting that there are rigid/solid features like mountains in the Corona itself, are you?

No, we are not looking at *ONLY* the corona. Just as an ordinary discharge here on Earth can occur high in the atmosphere, or start low to the ground, so too, discharges in the solar atmosphere occur in many ways and at many "depths' in the atmosphere. Most of the discharges occur low in the atmosphere, far below the surface of the photosphere, and never reach the surface of the photosphere. They are relatively "small" discharges that might only cover say 200KM in size. Such a "small" discharge might/would show up as a single lit pixel in this RD image. The location of the base of the loops is where this argument is headed. Yes, some of the loops reach *HIGH* into the atmosphere, way into the corona. Most of them never leave the photosphere.

As best as I can tell from your other posts, you are suggesting that the CME events are indirectly revealing rigid features on the surface in the same way that we might observe the movements of air masses over mountains on the Earth even if we couldn't directly observe the mountains themselves. Is this correct?

A CME event isn't required to see the surface by the way, it's just handy that it occurred in the image so we can observe the "effect" on objects (things) in the image and we can talk about that effect. The primary light source(s) are the very hot coronal loops and that light is scattered in the plasma atmosphere. There is probably some light from the corona as well, but it's minor in comparison to the coronal loops themselves, and much of that light could simply be scattering from the loops. The surface becomes visible because the light sources are "rigid". There's not a lot of movement in the overall light/dark patterns of the original images other than the larger loops, therefore there isn't a lot of movement in the RD image. The exception occurs during the CME event, and just after the CME event.

But you also say flat out that the image on your website shows mountains and/or persistent rigid features. This is confusing.

The surface features create "rigid outlines" of surface terrain. While discharges occur all over the surface, they occur most in the higher altitudes (highest elevations) where the plasma flow is 'blowing" by and creating induction currents on the windward side of the plasma flow. The leeward side is less active. The various levels of surface terrain creates different rates of discharges near various features. The surface is visible, but only in an 'indirect way', due to the discharge patterns it create along the surface.

This is also at odds with your analogy of the "moving" stars in the background of the LASCO images. Those images are directly showing movement of "static" features.

Keep in mind that the "static surface" is rotating between images. The bright points (peaks) of the crust will move from left to right (this image is cropped by the way so you can't see the movement the way you can in an ordinary SOHO RD image). It's hard to tell exactly what's going on here in the 171RD image because it's been cropped and centered rather than let it simply rotate they way the original images rotate. The moving "stuff" in this case is the crust itself. It's moving left to right, meaning the "shadows" will typically be on the left, and the lit regions of the surface (the active regions) will light up mostly on the right. The plasma atmosphere is blowing from the bottom right toward the upper left, and that is also factoring into what we observe.

Are the mountains on the solar surface "moving" like the stars and therefore showing up in RD images,

Yes. They are moving left to right and the image is 'cropped and centered'. In other words you can't see the movement in the RD image because the left edge has been cut off and they centered the image on the CME area.
 
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We have already had that discussion.

Nah. You haven't really talked much about anything other than perhaps the CME itself. You didn't mention any of the angular features in the image or their CAUSE in any way.

There is no real stuff in the RD animations. But the stuff in the RD animation is caused by real stuff.

You are still wrong. That is "real stuff" we see in the RD image too. The bright points are every bit as "real" in the RD image as the they were real in the original (last) image. Real photons from real things light up both the last original image and the RD image in exactly the same spot. A planet is still recognizable as a planet in the RD image. A comet can will appear like a comet in a RD image. A star is still a star in the RD image. The only thing that isn't "real" per se is the "shadow" created that is due to it's movement. It's an "artifact" of the "process". That shadow is the only thing that isn't "real stuff'. In every respect, a bright point in the RD image will correspond to a bright point in the last original image. These are "real" photons from "real" things that appear as bright points in REAL images, both the original images and the RD images.
 
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171 Angstroms & the Solar Transition Region

The key to understanding the physics of the 171 Angstrom pass band images is really right on the page Mozina linked to from IMSAL: Trace Instrument Passbands. That wavelength is where thermal emission will be strongest in the temperature range 160,000 - 2,000,000 Kelvins (the Wien's Law peak at 171 Angstroms is 169,500 Kelvins), which is indeed far beyond any temperature encountered by observation in the photosphere. But that wavelength is also specifically selected because it is sensitive to non-thermal line emission from Fe IX ("iron 9"; this is an iron atom that has been ionized 8 times and so is missing its outermost 8 electrons). So if there is Fe IX anywhere, even in or below the photosphere, we might see it (I don't know the opacity or optical depth of the photosphere at that wavelength so we might still not see it if below the photosphere).

However, it takes extremely high energy to ionize iron 8 times and you wind up in the doghouse anyway if you try to put this emission anywhere near the photosphere. There is no observational evidence to indicate a temperature so high anywhere in the photosphere, nor is there any observational evidence for the presence of any highly ionized species in the photosphere (either of which would be immediately obvious by observing the limb of the Sun). Hence, observational evidence clearly indicates that the 171 Angstrom emission originates from above the photosphere.

Keep in mind that the concept of a 'transition region' was *assumed* before launch.
Not really. The transition region was observed well before launch, so the fact that it existed and its location were already well known in advance (i.e., Withbroe, 1970). The transition region is not that hard to see, as it reveals itself by limb brightening due to emission, well above the limb darkening of the photosphere due to absorption. The transition from limb darkening to limb brightening has been known for quite a while (i.e., Withbroe, 1970 and Carver, Horton & Lockey, 1972).
 
As I said before - I am not an expert in astronomy.

If you're not an expert in astronomy or RD images and have never spent any time going through the RD image of SOHO's archives, (the things that convinced me of the validity of Birkeland's model) what right do you have to call me a "crackpot"? You're quite a trip. You're winging this whole conversation at this point and you've got some nerve.

It does not need an expert to understand that the definition of an RD animation is that it records changes in intensity (temperature) and position). All it needs is that aility to read and comprehend what you read.

This statement is both wrong and unbelievably ignorant. You can't sit there and tell me that two seconds of your time reading a single paragraph is the equivalent of me spending months of time downloading and reviewing gigabytes worth of RD image and analyzing them frame by frame, not to mention all the conversations I've had with folks at NASA and LMSAL, etc. You don't even understand the basics of RD imaging well enough to pick out flying plasma or stars without going through DAYS of discussions and arguments about it. Wake up and smell the coffee. You have no clue what you're talking about because you haven't done your homework and this isn't your field of expertize.

I'll be *HAPPY* (thrilled in fact) to discuss these images with Dr. Hurlburt (or any other so called "expert" in the field). I'd love to hear him explain this image. Unfortunately that has never occurred in over 4 years of online debates and I've tried to discuss this topic anywhere and everyone. I'm pretty sure I've emailed everyone at LMSAL and I've sat in on at least one meeting at LMSAL related to the STEREO program. They know where to find me if they want to find me.

The only folks that seem willing to stick their neck out in public and talk about this image in public are folks like you that have never really seen a RD image before, or who don't really understand it well, and fancy themselves as "quite the expert". You're even so "confident" in your advanced expertise enough to be personally insulting in post after post. Comments like "crackpot" don't mean very much coming from someone that thinks there is no light source in a RD image and no real flying stuff in the image and who has trouble picking out stars and flying plasma in a Lasco RD image.

From now on keep your derogatory comments aimed it *IDEAS* not me personally, and stop pretending to know something about this topic because you do not. Your sum total understanding is evidently based upon a single paragraph or two you read on the web and everything you learned from GM who still can't find any "flying stuff" in a RD image.
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The key to understanding the physics of the 171 Angstrom pass band images is really right on the page Mozina linked to from IMSAL: Trace Instrument Passbands. That wavelength is where thermal emission will be strongest in the temperature range 160,000 - 2,000,000 Kelvins (the Wien's Law peak at 171 Angstroms is 169,500 Kelvins), which is indeed far beyond any temperature encountered by observation in the photosphere. But that wavelength is also specifically selected because it is sensitive to non-thermal line emission from Fe IX ("iron 9"; this is an iron atom that has been ionized 8 times and so is missing its outermost 8 electrons).

So what exactly is KNOWN to be capable stripping 8 or 9 or 14 electrons from an iron atom in a "non thermal" process?
 
However, it takes extremely high energy to ionize iron 8 times and you wind up in the doghouse anyway if you try to put this emission anywhere near the photosphere.

This argument is logically flawed Tim and you know it too. Its exactly like claiming that the atmosphere of the Earth is too cold to emit x-rays, therefore that lightning bolt we see from space in x-ray *must have* originated in the magnetosphere. You can't simply *ASSUME* that the temperature of the atmosphere has anything at all to do with either the process that emits the light we see, or the location of the light we see. Discharges often originate from the crust of our planet. They don't always do so of course, but they can and do reach all they way through the relatively cold atmosphere and touch the crust of the Earth. Birkeland's discharges congregated near and around the solid "bumps" on his sphere and the discharges were much hotter than the surrounding plasma.
 
what right do you have to call me a "crackpot"?

You're being called a crackpot because you keep insisting on an idea which violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Your endless debates about running difference images and 171 Angstrom emission lines just don't matter: the visible part of the sun, WHATEVER it is that we're seeing, is at around 6000 K, and is opaque. Anything under it must be at least as hot. I don't care what labels you put on it, I don't care whether you think it's coming from the photosphere or a neon layer underneath it, it just doesn't matter: the inescapable conclusion remains that any solid surface must be at around 6000 K minimum, unless you violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics. You have avoided ever addressing this problem with your theory in any meaningful way. The few responses you have made have been irrelevant or simply wrong. Your claims are fundamentally no different from those who claim they have invented a perpetual motion machine: both require violating the 2nd law of thermodynamics. And that is why you get called a crackpot. No amount of analysis of satellite imagery will change this fundamental problem.
 
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When can we finally stop this discussion about MM's misunderstanding of pictures of the sun and go back to the electrical universe (not that that is any better). MM has been shown to be wrong in numerous threads, let's stop it here, please!!!
 
When can we finally stop this discussion about MM's misunderstanding of pictures of the sun and go back to the electrical universe (not that that is any better). MM has been shown to be wrong in numerous threads, let's stop it here, please!!!


I agree. I actually tried several times to get Michael to open a new thread to discuss his solid surfaced Sun delusion, but he claimed it was directly related to the Electric Universe topic, and apparently he felt the discussion was most appropriate here. Of course he hasn't made any connection other than the circular "the only way the iron crust can peel away like that is by electricity" and "we know it must be electricity because look how it's blowing off hunks of that iron crust." Idiot.
 
171 Angstroms & the Solar Transition Region II

However, it takes extremely high energy to ionize iron 8 times and you wind up in the doghouse anyway if you try to put this emission anywhere near the photosphere.
This argument is logically flawed Tim and you know it too.
Actually I do not know that, and neither do you.
Its exactly like claiming that the atmosphere of the Earth is too cold to emit x-rays, therefore that lightning bolt we see from space in x-ray *must have* originated in the magnetosphere.
No it is not anything like that at all. The real problem is this:
You can't simply *ASSUME* that the temperature of the atmosphere has anything at all to do with either the process that emits the light we see, or the location of the light we see.
No, neither I nor anyone else assumes any such thing. Rather, we observe it. You should learn to tell the difference between the words "assume" and "observe", as you seem to mistake the latter for the former on a regular basis.

Discharges often originate from the crust of our planet. They don't always do so of course, but they can and do reach all they way through the relatively cold atmosphere and touch the crust of the Earth. Birkeland's discharges congregated near and around the solid "bumps" on his sphere and the discharges were much hotter than the surrounding plasma.
Yes, and if there were anything at that temperature, whether it be caused by a discharge, or anything else, it would be extremely obvious and extremely observable and extremely observed, especially in solar limb observations. But no such thing is seen, despite regular programs of observing with far more sensitivity than needed to do the job. Therefore we can say with confidence, based on observation and not any assumption, that there are no regions of such high temperature anywhere in the photosphere.

So what exactly is KNOWN to be capable stripping 8 or 9 or 14 electrons from an iron atom in a "non thermal" process?
I only know of one likely physical cause for such a thing, a bath of Extreme Ultraviolet (EUV) photons. The standard model of the sun accounts for such things quite nicely.
 
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When can we finally stop this discussion about MM's misunderstanding of pictures of the sun and go back to the electrical universe (not that that is any better). MM has been shown to be wrong in numerous threads, let's stop it here, please!!!
I agree. I actually tried several times to get Michael to open a new thread to discuss his solid surfaced Sun delusion, but he claimed it was directly related to the Electric Universe topic, and apparently he felt the discussion was most appropriate here. Of course he hasn't made any connection other than the circular "the only way the iron crust can peel away like that is by electricity" and "we know it must be electricity because look how it's blowing off hunks of that iron crust." Idiot.
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What's particularly objectionable about MM's claim is that, AFAIK, there is only one person who makes it!

For example, you won't find a word about MM's 'iron surface' ideas in any of Scott's material, or Thornhill's, or Alfvén's, or Bruce's, or Lerner's, or Peratt's, or ... Even Sol88 has not (AFAIK) ever made a claim that MM's 'iron surface' ideas are part and parcel of any electric universe ones.
 
Nah. You haven't really talked much about anything other than perhaps the CME itself. You didn't mention any of the angular features in the image or their CAUSE in any way.
Nah.
Liar. There are several posts where I told you exactly what the "mountain ranges" and "flying stuff" were.


You are still wrong. That is "real stuff" we see in the RD image too. The bright points are every bit as "real" in the RD image as the they were real in the original (last) image. Real photons from real things light up both the last original image and the RD image in exactly the same spot. A planet is still recognizable as a planet in the RD image. A comet can will appear like a comet in a RD image. A star is still a star in the RD image. The only thing that isn't "real" per se is the "shadow" created that is due to it's movement. It's an "artifact" of the "process". That shadow is the only thing that isn't "real stuff'. In every respect, a bright point in the RD image will correspond to a bright point in the last original image. These are "real" photons from "real" things that appear as bright points in REAL images, both the original images and the RD images.
That is your problem. You think that a graphical representation of the changes in something is the thing itself.

You obviously have wasted your time over the last few years not learning about these RD images.

A bright spot in the RD animation would be produced by a bright spot in the last original image only if the previous original image had a dark spot in the same position. That woud mean that the difference (RD = running difference) is large and represented by a light color.
For the simple minded like you MM :D, here is what an RD produces in general terms for bright and dark pixels:
Bright minus bright gives grey (unchanged).
Dark minus dark gives grey (unchanged).
Bright minus dark gives bright (large increase).
Dark minus bright gives dark (large decrease)
Bright original image pixel 1 - brithe
 
If you're not an expert in astronomy or RD images and have never spent any time going through the RD image of SOHO's archives, (the things that convinced me of the validity of Birkeland's model) what right do you have to call me a "crackpot"? You're quite a trip. You're winging this whole conversation at this point and you've got some nerve.
I am not calling you a crackpot from the single fact of your statements about mountain ranges, etc. actually being in the RD animations. After all, English may be your second language and so you are ignorant of the fact that you should be refering to "mountain ranges" etc. as the features just look like them and are not actually mountain ranges.

I am calling you a crackpot beause you have the attributes of a crackpot.

This statement is both wrong and unbelievably ignorant. You can't sit there and tell me that two seconds of your time reading a single paragraph is the equivalent of me spending months of time downloading and reviewing gigabytes worth of RD image and analyzing them frame by frame, not to mention all the conversations I've had with folks at NASA and LMSAL, etc. You don't even understand the basics of RD imaging well enough to pick out flying plasma or stars without going through DAYS of discussions and arguments about it. Wake up and smell the coffee. You have no clue what you're talking about because you haven't done your homework and this isn't your field of expertize.
I am sorry that you wasted so much of your life investigating such a simple thing as the definition of RD animations. However this is an attribute of a crackpot - not comprehending what the definition of something actually means and so wasting their time looking as examples to understand it.

I'll be *HAPPY* (thrilled in fact) to discuss these images with Dr. Hurlburt (or any other so called "expert" in the field). I'd love to hear him explain this image. Unfortunately that has never occurred in over 4 years of online debates and I've tried to discuss this topic anywhere and everyone. I'm pretty sure I've emailed everyone at LMSAL and I've sat in on at least one meeting at LMSAL related to the STEREO program. They know where to find me if they want to find me.
Why would they want to talk to someone who is obvious wrong?
Why would they want to waste their time with somone who has obviously not understood the basics of what they did?
Why should they not wait for you to publish your Iron Sun model in a astronomy journal and then reply to you?

Another attribute of a crackpot -t hinking that their idea is so important that they can be lazy, not publish it and expect scientists to flock to them to discuss an idea.
Another attrtibute of a crackpot - beleiving that the fact that scientiste are ignoring them is evidence that the scientists are scared of their ideas. It is evidence that the scientists have better thing to do than

The only folks that seem willing to stick their neck out in public and talk about this image in public are folks like you that have never really seen a RD image before, or who don't really understand it well, and fancy themselves as "quite the expert". You're even so "confident" in your advanced expertise enough to be personally insulting in post after post. Comments like "crackpot" don't mean very much coming from someone that thinks there is no light source in a RD image and no real flying stuff in the image and who has trouble picking out stars and flying plasma in a Lasco RD image
I am not confident in my expertise, advanced or otherwise. That is your delusion not mine.
If you can produce evidence that RD amination are not graphical representations of changes in the original images then obviously I am wrong.

Another attribute of a crackpot: giving incomplete information.
For example you stated that the LASCO RD images had stars in them. You did not say whether it was every image. You did not say whether it was just one image. You did not give any links to the LASCO images despite my asking several times.
So I found the LASCO images by myself. The first movie I looked at had many cosmic ray impacts and a couple of what looked like stars. So I asked you for links and was ignored.
Eventually I found by accident what I think you were refering to. I saw exactly what I expected from the defintion of RD animatons. The original images had stars in them moving across the field of view. The RD animation recorded the change in intensity from the movement of stars and plotted bright area that moved across the field of view.

Another attribute of a crackpot: arguing from the specific to the general.
You seem to think that because the LASCO RD animation have "stars" in them (because the original images have moving stars in them), that all features in RD animations are real.

From now on keep your derogatory comments aimed it *IDEAS* not me personally, and stop pretending to know something about this topic because you do not. Your sum total understanding is evidently based upon a single paragraph or two you read on the web and everything you learned from GM who still can't find any "flying stuff" in a RD image. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/images/smilies/mazeguyemotions/eye-popping.gif
GM was not one of my professors or even in any of my classes.
I even disagree with him. There is "flying stuff" in the RD annimation (note the quotes). This "flying stuff" is a record of the changing temperature and position of the CME - the flying stuff in the original images.
 
Coronal loops are electrical discharges?

And now for something completely different :D!
Michael Mozina:
From your web site and what you have stated here, it looks like you have an idea that coronal loops are electrical discharges from your hypothetical, thermodynamically impossible solid iron surface.
AFAIK The only evidence that you have presented is that they look like the electrical discharges in the experiments that Birkeland did.

Is my impression correct?

If so could you present your calculation of the X-ray spectrum from the electrical discarges so that we can see if it matches the observed X-ray spectrum.

Otherwise we will have to assume that the X-ray spectrum from the electrical discharges is like all other observed electrical discharges - narrow bands of emission (a real astronomer may want to confirm this).
So I would expect electrical discharges on the Sun that heat plasma to have an X-ray spectrum that has a broad background with spikes of emission.
This is a problem for your idea because the observed X-ray spectrum is broad band and typical of heated plasma alone.
 
But this is too much fun

When can we finally stop this discussion about MM's misunderstanding of pictures of the sun and go back to the electrical universe (not that that is any better). MM has been shown to be wrong in numerous threads, let's stop it here, please!!!
But those of the electrically plugged in universe persuasion seem unwilling or unable to speak out. And really, admit it to the world. You are having just as much fun as the rest of us are. Maybe we need a contest to see who gets closest: What will he think if next?

Interesting that they would put a solar model paper into the journal Physics of Atomic Nuclei. (sort of like Peratt publishing his EU stuff in IEEE). All of 1 citation in 3 years and that by the first author! Impressive!
See my post #8 from the thread on Peratt's model of galaxy formation: Comment on Sources. Those who work in the community are well aware of the journals most likely to showcase a given topic. Cynical types like me are likely to presume that the papers are published in out of the way places deliberately, so the community of scientists most interested in the topic will not likely see them. But maybe they were submitted & rejected, I don't know. But it's a good way to hide papers so they can claim their results were published but remain unrefuted, while the reality is that they are published and remain unread.
 
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