Stubblebine Speaks...

INRM said:
The hole looks big enough to fit the main fuselage, but now that I think about it -- it doesn't look like a winged object went through there... from what I remember the span of a 757 was 124 feet roughly, it doesn't look anywhere near that big...
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Remember, life is not like coyote in loony toons. I am guessing that the wings were buckled back for the instant prior to their near disintigration.

Come on INRM, you are better, smarter than this. The whole "AA77 was too big to make that small hole" argument is so debunked, so 2006.

I am serious...

TAM:)
 
INRM said:
The hole looks big enough to fit the main fuselage, but now that I think about it -- it doesn't look like an object with the 757's span went through... from what I remember the span of a 757 was 124 feet roughly, it doesn't look anywhere near that big...
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Come on man...it's obvious...the wings folded back and slid into the hole along with the fuselage..
 
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INRM said:
The hole looks big enough to fit the main fuselage, but now that I think about it -- it doesn't look like an object with the 757's span went through... from what I remember the span of a 757 was 124 feet roughly, it doesn't look anywhere near that big...
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Just watch this eye witness describing how the jet's wings folded back and slid into the hole along with he fuselage. Watch he way he describes how it looked with his fingers, It's pretty conclusive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0vx...49E41439&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=43
 
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oh no, not mike walters the government shill. Bill now now, you know he is working for us-- I mean working for the NWO.

Come on, stop playing games.

TAM:)
 
INRM,

The only thing on a plane that would have made that size hole would have been the engines. Heck, it could have even been the landing gear of the plane. I don't know exactly.

But, I can tell you, that hole is not made from an intact plane. Not even without wings.
 
Björn Toulouse said:
Heating up? Did Stubblebine say anything any differently than what he said in 2006?
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Apparently saying the same thing you said 3 years ago is how the Truth™ Movement "turns up the heat".

/me shivers.
Is it getting slightly less arctic in here?
 
Upon checking his biography, I came across some unflattering information.

Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III was the commanding general of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984, when he retired from the Army. He is known for his interest in parapsychology and was a supporter of the Stargate Project.
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Parapsychology is, as we all should know, complete nonsense. Yet he supported the Stargate Project, a military effort to research applications of psychic predictions, telepathy, and extra-sensory perception.
 
I give credit to Stubblebine for his service to his country. And personally I am glad that the military had somebody looking into these psychic powers stuff, if only to eliminate it as a possibility. When Roosevelt was first approached about the A-Bomb, he could have dismissed it as too nutty to try; instead it ended WWII.

All that said, Stubblebine is a fruitcake. And from the portion on him that is in The Men Who Stare At Goats, I'd say he's been insane for a long time now.
 
INRM said:
Well, the guy was a high ranking intelligence officer who was a photo analyst during the cold war, so he would have some insight into the issue.
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Reagan and the Shrub were both POTUS, so they should have some insight into how to build an ecconomicly robust nation, in spite of one having Alzheimers and the other being an immature brai-damaged dry drunk bornm with a silver spoon in his mouth, right?

Sorry, his rank gets him nothing. It is possible to be promoted lightyears beyond your competency.

He didn't see wing marks on the Pentagon. Any rational person sees wing marks.

Then there is his sexual ethics. This guy makes Newt Gingrich look humane in the way he treated his sick wife after their divorce.

Stubby belongs under a freeway overpass with a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 in his hand.
 
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They arae the same people who google for pictures of people's dead bodies that jumped from the tower. I saaw first hand the victims, its not something I will ever forget, or ever want to see again. EVER.
 
INRM said:
Well, the guy was a high ranking intelligence officer who was a photo analyst during the cold war, so he would have some insight into the issue.

But the guy has expressed interest in paranormal beliefs and other odd things as well.

So, it's really hard to judge... his assessments regarding interpretations of photos I would assume would be reliable, but who knows.


INRM
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See, there's that "kernel of believability" thing, again. Sure, based on his background, it's believable that he'd be able to measure objects in photographs. And once you've swallowed that kernel of believability, he's hoping you'll go ahead and swallow the big fat lie he's shoveling in on top of it: That being able to measure things in photographs is the same thing as being able to analyze a plane crash.

But of course it isn't the same thing at all. The two have nothing to do with each other. Stubblebine has worked for the military, measuring things in photographs and managing large intelligence organizations. Has he ever worked for the NTSB as a plane crash investigator? Has he ever worked for the Army as a plane crash investigator? Is there anything about measuring things in photographs that sheds any light at all on what happens to a plane when it hits an obstacle?

No, no, and no. But you still want to swallow his big pile of lies, so you conveniently overlook just how unbelievable they are, and try to tell us it's "hard to judge".

It's not hard to judge. And you know what else wouldn't be hard to judge? A real crash expert, with real expertise in analyzing crashes, making the case that no plane crashed at the Pentagon. Only, no real expert has ever made that case. What does that kernel of believability tell you?
 
triforcharity said:
They arae the same people who google for pictures of people's dead bodies that jumped from the tower. I saaw first hand the victims, its not something I will ever forget, or ever want to see again. EVER.
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I accidentally stumbled across a picture of one online. *shudder* :(
 
leftysergeant said:
Reagan and the Shrub were both POTUS, so they should have some insight into how to build an ecconomicly robust nation, in spite of one having Alzheimers and the other being an immature brai-damaged dry drunk bornm with a silver spoon in his mouth, right?

Sorry, his rank gets him nothing. It is possible to be promoted lightyears beyond your competency.

He didn't see wing marks on the Pentagon. Any rational person sees wing marks.

Then there is his sexual ethics. This guy makes Newt Gingrich look humane in the way he treated his sick wife after their divorce.

Stubby belongs under a freeway overpass with a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 in his hand.
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I have to echo lefty here.

Just because someone has a high rank doesn't mean they are automatically right about everything.

I've known some pretty stupid higher ranking NCOs and officers in my nearly eight year military career. People who've done really stupid :rule10 And no, I don't intend to elaborate; suffice to say it's absolutely gobsmackingly stupid.

I am not diminishing MG (Ret.) Stubbeline's service, but the man did retire in 1984; I rather doubt he's kept up with the advances in technology since then, especially as regards aircraft crash investigations and photographic examination. Pointing to his rank (which, I might add, he technically no longer holds, as he is RETIRED) or his past jobs as evidence of his veracity is nothing more than an appeal to authority that doesn't even exist in this case. His experience notwithstanding, the man is clearly suffering from dementia or is desperately trying to relive his glory days, neither of which endears him to those seeking actual EVIDENCE. If he were to produce some of that, I might listen to him; until then I'll simply smile and accord him the respect due his former rank should I ever meet him, but completely ignore his bat-crap crazy talk unless I hear some actual evidence, thanks.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
I accidentally stumbled across a picture of one online. *shudder* :(
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I once had a Powerpoint presentation put together by someone railing at the terrorists for doing this horrible, unspeakable act; I could only get through about the first ten slides, as I started crying from all the pictures of people falling from the buildings. That was utterly horrible.
 
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