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Why a one-way Crush down is not possible
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Sure you can.
No, you cannot hope to explain such nonsense. No explosives were used anywhere in the WTC complex.
Aggie,
I agree on both counts.
With regard to the engineering questions, here's my take on the issue...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4743226
With regard to the truther nuttiness,
With regard to dealing with Heiwa, nothing could better exhibit his ploy than the following exchange:
Heiwa's repartee is a Farce in Three Parts:
1. An incessant repetition of vapid techno-babble.
2. A cowardly evasion of "inconvenient" questions.
3. An unseemly addiction to self-promotion (Motto: "No opportunity too trivial".)
Don't expect him to debate honestly.
Tom
I agree on both counts.
With regard to the engineering questions, here's my take on the issue...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4743226
With regard to the truther nuttiness,
With regard to dealing with Heiwa, nothing could better exhibit his ploy than the following exchange:
Heiwa's repartee is a Farce in Three Parts:
1. An incessant repetition of vapid techno-babble.
2. A cowardly evasion of "inconvenient" questions.
3. An unseemly addiction to self-promotion (Motto: "No opportunity too trivial".)
Don't expect him to debate honestly.
Tom
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bill smith
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I'm just the suspicious type. Especially around now just before your paper is published..
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Yes, difficult to fit it inside the column.
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If they decided to pulverize the concrete to bring down the building then they were the dumbest CDer's ever.
Everybody else cuts the steel supports.
tsig
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Or anywhere else in the known Universe.
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LOL, Oh my. So, your telling me that somehow people snuck in with this "super-duper-silent-invisible-nano-thermite" SOMEHOW managed to make it an explosive (I haven't found anywhere that proves nano-thermite is explosive, only "truthers'" claims) managed to somehow get thousands upon thousands of this stuff INTO the building, then SOMEHOW set it off without NOT ONE SOUL hearing this MASSIVE explosion?? Right. Come on now. Really?? That is moronic at best. Oh yeaah, thats right, I forgot the invisible silent dust that was put in it when it was made.
Right............
ETA- Bill, Bill, your never going to believe this, I made you your VERY OWN THREAD to explain the events on 9/11. We are all waiting on the edge of our seats for this. Please, please, explain what 1,000,000 other people didn't see that day.
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Not that I have any hope of reaching the deluded, but for the rest of you, the scenario described above is physically impossible. Thermite cannot vaporize steel. If so, one would expect it to vaporize itself, but it does not. That requires much more energy.
One also cannot easily attack steel that is embedded in concrete with thermite. Concrete by its very nature contains a cement hydrate, and upon exposure to great heat, concrete spalls -- the water is liberated, causing the concrete to become brittle, flake apart, or even literally explode under the right conditions. This would surely scatter whatever thermite or reacted thermite products were nearby.
And, as others have noted, attacking the floor pans is not only unnecessary, and contrary to what was seen on video, but also counter-productive... While one probably could initiate a pancake-style collapse by failing (or "evaporating," nyuk nyuk) enough floors, it's much more effective to go after the columns themselves. Why even bother attacking the concrete? What's the point? Why not leave them there, to pull on the perimeter and introduce a crippling load?
Just another example of how a Truth Movement hypothesis, when finally teased to the surface, goes far beyond merely making no sense at all.
Until this is rectified -- and, with the eight year mark around the corner, I state with confidence it never will -- the Truth Movement is a laughing stock, full stop.
One also cannot easily attack steel that is embedded in concrete with thermite. Concrete by its very nature contains a cement hydrate, and upon exposure to great heat, concrete spalls -- the water is liberated, causing the concrete to become brittle, flake apart, or even literally explode under the right conditions. This would surely scatter whatever thermite or reacted thermite products were nearby.
And, as others have noted, attacking the floor pans is not only unnecessary, and contrary to what was seen on video, but also counter-productive... While one probably could initiate a pancake-style collapse by failing (or "evaporating," nyuk nyuk) enough floors, it's much more effective to go after the columns themselves. Why even bother attacking the concrete? What's the point? Why not leave them there, to pull on the perimeter and introduce a crippling load?
Just another example of how a Truth Movement hypothesis, when finally teased to the surface, goes far beyond merely making no sense at all.
Until this is rectified -- and, with the eight year mark around the corner, I state with confidence it never will -- the Truth Movement is a laughing stock, full stop.
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No, you're the obtuse agenda-driven type.
Heiwa didn't write a paper. He foolishly sent the ASCE journal criticisms of the work of a real engineer, employing his idiotic, incompetent garble of basic physics. When his scalp is handed to him again, he will bray about the NWO and religious fundamentalists.
You have hitched your wagon to a fool, rube.
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Gee, all the people who defeated the Heiwa Challenge are bitter that you turned out to be fraud who won't pay.
Dave Rogers
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And yet the building still collapsed, showing that detonation of explosives in the lower core was not necessary to collapse. Congratulations; you've debunked yourself.
Dave
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Bill, when you say 80 acres or 1/8th of a square mile of steel mesh should have been in the rubble you are actually underestimating the amount of welded wire fabric used in the floors of the Twin Towers. We know that there were two layers of 4" x 10" grid of .230" diameter rod mesh in each floor of the twin towers, in the areas outside of the core. It is very likely that a similar method was employed in the concrete of the core slabs.
There were 110 one acre floors in each tower so that makes it 220 acres of steel mesh per tower or 440 acres total. Since a square mile is 640 acres, there would have been 11/16ths of a square mile of steel reinforcement. This doesn't count the sublevels, so it is probably accurate to say there would have been 3/4 of a square mile area of steel mesh in the rubble.
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Tony Szamboti
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Maybe you didn't notice, but I did say the core floor slab concrete probably had a similar reinforcement to that used on the concrete in the floor area outside the core. Between the area outside the core and the core itself, each floor was an about 95% of an acre in size.
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funk de fino
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Core floor slab?
probably?
probably?
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