Boston Globe peddling AGW "Truth"

[lomiller]

Skepticism about AGW -- ESPECIALLY as regards predicted effects -- shares no significant roots with Creation Science, and you can do better than this kind of flailing.

Are you sure?

Climate denial has plenty of seedy roots, some of which are not far at all from ID.

http://x-journals.com/2009/naomi-oreskes-the-american-denial-of-global-warming/

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/denialmachine/video.html

 

[bokonon]

No, bokonon, it all comes from far-right-wing conservatism. Both are political tools used by the Right to manipulate the electorate. Both exist and get press for basically that reason alone. Suck up to the Massey Energy Company if you like, that is your right, but don't come here and pretend that its "science."

"Skepticism" about predicted effects, when its HONEST skepticism, involves debating where AGW will fall on the continuum between significant problem and full-on calamity. The brand of woo you are peddling is the sort that said that the Ozone Layer would be "just fine" and that CFCs were not a problem.

So I'm a far-right-wing conservative now. THAT will surprise a lot of people...

I think the continuum is larger than you do.

 

[lomiller]

So I'm a far-right-wing conservative now. THAT will surprise a lot of people...

I think the continuum is larger than you do.

In my experience that tends to be code for Libertarian. They take great offence at being lumped in with the right, even though they stand shoulder to shoulder on just about everything except legalizing marijuana.

 

[BenBurch]

In my experience that tends to be code for Libertarian. They take great offence at being lumped in with the right, even though they stand shoulder to shoulder on just about everything except legalizing marijuana.

A Libertarian is a Republican who wants to smoke dope and sleep around.

 

[BenBurch]

Name three.

That's one.

 

[lomiller]

A Libertarian is a Republican who wants to smoke dope and sleep around.

And Republicans don’t?

 

[macdoc]

A dash of both....evolution and climate change...all wrapped up in one critter....analogue rules....
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Global warming seems to be shrinking sheep

Updated Thu. Jul. 2 2009 3:04 PM ET
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON -- Like the wool sweater that emerges from the dryer a size too small, global warming seems to be shrinking sheep.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...2/shrinking_sheep_090702/20090702?hub=SciTech

 

[BenBurch]

And Republicans don’t?

Well, they won't ADMIT to it...

 

[BenBurch]

A Prediction; http://pda.physorg.com/centralpacific-hurricanes-greater_news165763631.html

El Niño years typically result in fewer hurricanes forming in the Atlantic Ocean. But a new study suggests that the form of El Niño may be changing potentially causing not only a greater number of hurricanes than in average years, but also a greater chance of hurricanes making landfall, according to climatologists at the Georgia Institute of Technology. The study appears in the July 3, 2009, edition of the journal Science.

more at link

 

[bokonon]

In my experience that tends to be code for Libertarian. They take great offence at being lumped in with the right, even though they stand shoulder to shoulder on just about everything except legalizing marijuana.

In your experience, are lots of Libertarians endorsing increased gas taxes?

 

[BenBurch]

In your experience, are lots of Libertarians endorsing increased gas taxes?

My experience is that if you can name a position on anything, you can find a Libertarian to endorse it.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Evolutionists aren't writing computer programs and publishing papers that say, "Based on our models, 17% of existing species will still be reproducing in 30306, 54% of existing species will be extinct, and 5% will be species which are unknown to us today. With a margin of error of ..."

Someone pinch me, because I'm pretty sure I have heard biologists (if you meant something else with your nonsense buzzword 'evolutionist', please correct me) predict the extinction of species. Am I dreaming?

Predictive climate science is like predictive economic science. Both are more smoke and mirrors than anything I'd hang my hat on.

 

[bokonon]

My experience is that if you can name a position on anything, you can find a Libertarian to endorse it.

So, as a label, it's about as useful as "American."

 

[DogB]

So I'm a far-right-wing conservative now. THAT will surprise a lot of people...

Does surprise me that there's this assumption. I'm skeptical and I'm about as far left wing as it's possible to get without falling off the bird completely.

 

[technoextreme]

Name three.

They try and pass anyone as an authority figure on an issue they would be acting as as an appeal to authority fallacy-Check.
Attempt to generate "controversy" with above authority figures-Check.
They use overtly bad science-Check.
And the sad fact is that all I had to do was read the freaking article.
PS:
Evolution has made predictions. Try searching for the Conservapedia beat down involving the evolution of bacteria. Im sure they would have gone to great lengths to do such an experiment if they didn't know they could evolve bacteria.

 

[Poptech]

Credentials of Scientists: (From Boston Globe Article)

Claude Allegre, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Earth Science, University Paris, France
Ivar Giaever, Ph.D. Physics, Nobel Prize in Physics 1973, USA
Hal W. Lewis, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of California, Santa Barbara, USA
William Happer, Ph.D. Professor of Physics, Princeton University, USA
Robert H. Austin, Ph.D. Professor of Physics, Princeton University, USA
Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, MIT, USA
John R. Christy, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, University of Alabama in Huntsville, USA
Roy W. Spencer, Ph.D. Meteorology, Former Senior Scientist for Climate Studies, NASA, USA
Thomas Gale Moore, M.A., Ph.D. Economics, USA
Christopher Essex, Ph.D. Professor of Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario, Canada
Ross McKitrick, Ph.D. Professor of Environmental Economics, University of Guelph, Canada
S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Science, University of Virginia, USA
Dennis T. Avery, M.S. Agricultural Economics, USA

 

[Poptech]

The confusion of Libertarians with Republicans is common with those who do little research.

 

[bokonon]

They try and pass anyone as an authority figure on an issue they would be acting as as an appeal to authority fallacy-Check.
Attempt to generate "controversy" with above authority figures-Check.
They use overtly bad science-Check.

They cite authorities
Who (by contradicting the "consensus" view) are controversial

and this makes them closet creationists.

Unbelievable.

By that logic, anyone who argued for plate tectonics in 1945 was a creationist clone.

I'm not going to argue this kind of tautology. Obviously, if they didn't cite authorities, or simply agreed with the consensus, there would be little to discuss.

But if you'd care to back up your claim that they use overtly bad science, I'll consider your position. Otherwise, all you have here is empty ad hominem, an attempt to smear by spurious association.

 

[BenBurch]

The confusion of Libertarians with Republicans is common with those who do little research.

How about somebody who WAS one starting in 1976 when I worked on Roger McBride's campaign. It was 1999 before I came to my senses. That enough research for you, buckaroo?

 

[technoextreme]

Credentials of Scientists:

Claude Allegre, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Earth Science, University Paris, France
Ivar Giaever, Ph.D. Physics, Nobel Prize in Physics 1973, USA
Hal W. Lewis, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of California, Santa Barbara, USA
William Happer, Ph.D. Professor of Physics, Princeton University, USA
Robert H. Austin, Ph.D. Professor of Physics, Princeton University, USA
Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, MIT, USA
John R. Christy, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, University of Alabama in Huntsville, USA
Roy W. Spencer, Ph.D. Meteorology, Former Senior Scientist for Climate Studies, NASA, USA
Thomas Gale Moore, M.A., Ph.D. Economics, USA
Christopher Essex, Ph.D. Professor of Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario, Canada
Ross McKitrick, Ph.D. Professor of Environmental Economics, University of Guelph, Canada
S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Science, University of Virginia, USA
Dennis T. Avery, M.S. Agricultural Economics, USA

God you have no clue what the hell an argument from authority is do you?

They cite authorities
Who (by contradicting the "consensus" view) are controversial

and this makes them closet creationists.

Can you read? Its because they cite authorities who have no real authority to actually make any claims. Jesus christ why is this so dam hard for people to understand. Just because you are smart doesn't mean your opinion is relevant in all cases. It would be like if I (An electrical engineer) were to give you advise on whether or not you have cancer or that my scientific opinion on global warming actually mattered.