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LT, thank you for sharing your two not sure encounters of bigfoot. I would like to know two things about both of them.

1. Did you notice any facial features or physical build on the creature/creatures you saw?

2. Allegdly, the creature sounded like a "Growl in a barrel". That must have been shell shocking for both yourself and Robin. Did both encounters ever traumatize you? Would you consider either one a major impact on your Bigfoot stance today?
 
Yet you say that his diagnosis validates your BF sighting. So once again we just accept your word?

I never said that, sorry if you are confused. I am not looking for anyone to validate my BF sighting and I don't care what you accept.
 
What you may find amazing here at the JREF is that I get beaten up about this from BOTH sides of the fence, believer and scoftic. From believers I get "how can you doubt the credibility of this evidence because you are a witness to this creature." From the scoftics I get "you cannot be skeptical because you are a witness and believer."

John, what is a scoftic? Who are these people? Can you name three? Are we all scoftics here? Am I a scoftic? Do I unfairly dismiss legitimate propositions and evidence unfairly without research and due consideration? Is there some unreasonable and irrational behaviour going on with me?

Dismissive and derogatory, such as Bigfoot enthusiast? or liar?

John, you may object to the term "Bigfoot enthusiast" but it is correct and perfectly valid. An enthusiast is one who is ardently absorbed in an interest or pursuit. Don't believe me? Look it up. That's you. If the term bothers you, I can call you a Bigfoot searcher, proponent, believer, or Susan if you ask me to. I will not call you a Bigfoot researcher because poking around in the woods looking for Bigfoot is not researching an animal. Ask any wildlife biologist or zoologist. You were the mod and now admin of a Bigfoot discussion board call the "Search For Bigfoot". What does being a mod on a Bigfoot discussion board have to do with finding Bigfoot? You attend various Bigfoot conventions. You participate in various Bigfoot radio shows. Before you had friends to pull you away, you were a Tom Biscardi supporter.

For you searching for Bigfoot has a purpose. You believe you saw Bigfoot 27 years ago in a pocket of wilderness amidst the cities and farmland of the Virginia and North Carolina state line and need some manner of resolution. There are many ways to resolve the issue that don't involve Bigfoot enthusiast chat rooms, internet radio shows, and conventions. That is not to say that you are to be criticized for following that path. You live in the United States of America, not Indonesia, and there are ways of resolving if there are gargantuan monster mammals in your neck of the woods. I've given you some of the essential information necessary which took me only a matter of minutes to think of and search out.

BTW, would you call yourself a cryptozoology enthusiast? Like, is it something you enjoy?
 
LT, thank you for sharing your two not sure encounters of bigfoot. I would like to know two things about both of them.

1. Did you notice any facial features or physical build on the creature/creatures you saw?

2. Allegdly, the creature sounded like a "Growl in a barrel". That must have been shell shocking for both yourself and Robin. Did both encounters ever traumatize you? Would you consider either one a major impact on your Bigfoot stance today?

>>>1. Did you notice any facial features or physical build on the creature/creatures you saw?

Facial- no to both, physical were somewhat massive/bulky

In the first one- the sighting was so fleeting, there was no time to really study it
In the second- the relationship was very large but at that range and with Gen I thermals and starlight, you cant make much out beyond the fuzz and halo

>>>Allegdly, the creature sounded like a "Growl in a barrel". That must have been shell shocking for both yourself and Robin.

Yeah, it got our full and undivided attention

>>>Did both encounters ever traumatize you?

Depends on how you define traumatize. By the clinical definition- no, by the "in the back of your head" definition it made me personally more "aware" of a chance encounter with an adversary and to never go anywhere in the woods unarmed then it would be yes. That said, I dont consider that to be "traumatized" any more than a near miss in a car wreck might make one a more careful driver. In my words, it makes me more "open minded" and aware of "out of the box" possibilities. I didnt alter my life around it if thats what you mean.

Combat actually "traumatized" me but thats another story and has nothing to do with BF.

>>>Would you consider either one a major impact on your Bigfoot stance today

Technically, they would be the ONLY reason I even keep the door open to the legitimate possibility of such a creature existing other than the obvious truth that theres no "proof" they cant or dont exist so if you view that as a "major impact" then I suppose the answer would be yes.
 
I agree with you totally about my 15 mins of fame being up. Heck I would call it 5 mins. I do not like to talk about my encounter anyway. But, there are people here on this forum who seem to have questions or do not know me or my story. I just wanted to be fair to them. If I can come here looking for research ideas, it is only fair for me to answer questions. Other then that, I have no agenda here as some have said.

I can help with that. What do you think Bigfoot eats? Other than the leaves of a mulberry tree (and finds mulberries to be yucky), I mean. What do you suppose a 9 x 6 ft monster wood ape gets for the 12,000+ kcal/day it would require in that little corridor of woods along the Pasquotank River?

I have taken Kit's and other JREF members advice and I am seeking professional help regarding my sleep problems. I really do not want to discuss that any more in depth as it it personal.

I'm really stoked to hear that. Obviously, since you are seeing that professional about sleep problems and not Bigfoot problems, it can not be the professional that you cryptically mentioned and indicated you wouldn't discuss further here...

I reject it not only on my opinion, but the opinion of a professional. Please do not expect me to comment on it publicly.

So you wouldn't even comment on what profession that professional is that bolsters your claim of seeing Bigfoot in 1982? Probably would have been better not to mention it if it needs to be a secret.
 
>>>1. Did you notice any facial features or physical build on the creature/creatures you saw?

Facial- no to both, physical were somewhat massive/bulky

In the first one- the sighting was so fleeting, there was no time to really study it
In the second- the relationship was very large but at that range and with Gen I thermals and starlight, you cant make much out beyond the fuzz and halo

>>>Allegdly, the creature sounded like a "Growl in a barrel". That must have been shell shocking for both yourself and Robin.

Yeah, it got our full and undivided attention

>>>Did both encounters ever traumatize you?

Depends on how you define traumatize. By the clinical definition- no, by the "in the back of your head" definition it made me personally more "aware" of a chance encounter with an adversary and to never go anywhere in the woods unarmed then it would be yes. That said, I dont consider that to be "traumatized" any more than a near miss in a car wreck might make one a more careful driver. In my words, it makes me more "open minded" and aware of "out of the box" possibilities. I didnt alter my life around it if thats what you mean.

Combat actually "traumatized" me but thats another story and has nothing to do with BF.

>>>Would you consider either one a major impact on your Bigfoot stance today

Technically, they would be the ONLY reason I even keep the door open to the legitimate possibility of such a creature existing other than the obvious truth that theres no "proof" they cant or dont exist so if you view that as a "major impact" then I suppose the answer would be yes.

Did the figures look more like blobs/shadows or like hair covered gorillas on the base? You would agree that both of your incidents involved an animal larger than the average man, correct? Because you said the subject in your 2nd sighting cleared a known height mark you mentioned before?



Other than those 2 encounters, have there been any other times in which you may have seen or have heard something you cant explain, and then say "Maybe"?
 
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Not until last week. Please don't ask me to comment on personal medical issues and today will only be my second session anyway.

I really wish you luck with this. BTW, you have mentioned the possibility of having sleep apnea. I have experience with this as a family member had it and just recently had corrective surgery. Have you ever had a broken nose? Also, has anyone ever observed you stop breathing briefly while you sleep? I'm asking because the snoring thing came up before and I'm wondering if you might have a deviated septum which can contribute to sleep problems.
 
John, what is a scoftic?


Kit, here is the definition by the man who came up with the word.


By “scoftic” [I mean] someone who…gives witness testimony no weight whatsoever, on ideological grounds, and who asserts numerous other bits of unreasonable dogma, such as that the quantity of reports is insignificant. Scofticism is thus fanaticism behind a pose of reasonableness. The reasonable pose is “show me the evidence.” The “fine print” is all the qualifiers, and all the hidden assumptions and misdirections.

A nutshell definition of scofticism would be “scientism in disguise,” although that’s not quite accurate….Another thumbnail definition is “a cranky skeptic.” ---Roger Knights


It's just a definition used to describe a behavior, just like the one you gave above for Bigfoot enthusiast.




Who are these people? They are everywhere Kit. I even have a little in myself.

Can you name three? Yes, but why name names?

Are we all scoftics here? Not all, no.

Am I a scoftic? If we go by the definition above, yes.

Do I unfairly dismiss legitimate propositions and evidence unfairly without research and due consideration?

The propositions, yes.


Is there some unreasonable and irrational behavior going on with me?

It's not unreasonable,irrational,good or bad. It's just a personality trait.




John, you may object to the term "Bigfoot enthusiast" but it is correct and perfectly valid. An enthusiast is one who is ardently absorbed in an interest or pursuit. Don't believe me? Look it up. That's you. If the term bothers you, I can call you a Bigfoot searcher, proponent, believer, or Susan if you ask me to. I will not call you a Bigfoot researcher because poking around in the woods looking for Bigfoot is not researching an animal. Ask any wildlife biologist or zoologist.

You don't have to label me at all. You can just call me John.


You were the mod and now admin of a Bigfoot discussion board call the "Search For Bigfoot".

Correct

What does being a mod on a Bigfoot discussion board have to do with finding Bigfoot?

Nothing.


You attend various Bigfoot conventions. You participate in various Bigfoot radio shows.

Correct.


Before you had friends to pull you away, you were a Tom Biscardi supporter.

I just listened to his radio show a few times and it was really bad BTW.


For you searching for Bigfoot has a purpose. You believe you saw Bigfoot 27 years ago in a pocket of wilderness amidst the cities and farmland of the Virginia and North Carolina state line and need some manner of resolution.

Correct

There are many ways to resolve the issue that don't involve Bigfoot enthusiast chat rooms, internet radio shows, and conventions. That is not to say that you are to be criticized for following that path. You live in the United States of America, not Indonesia, and there are ways of resolving if there are gargantuan monster mammals in your neck of the woods. I've given you some of the essential information necessary which took me only a matter of minutes to think of and search out.

If it was so easy, why hasn't it been solved?


BTW, would you call yourself a cryptozoology enthusiast? Like, is it something you enjoy?

No, I call myself John, nice to meet you. The only "cryptid I am interested in is Bigfoot.Enjoy it? Not really. I enjoy the company of my friends.
 
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I really wish you luck with this. BTW, you have mentioned the possibility of having sleep apnea. I have experience with this as a family member had it and just recently had corrective surgery. Have you ever had a broken nose? Also, has anyone ever observed you stop breathing briefly while you sleep? I'm asking because the snoring thing came up before and I'm wondering if you might have a deviated septum which can contribute to sleep problems.

Thanks, I hope it helps me too.

No never broke my nose before. I think if I continue to lose weight my snoring will get better. I have lost 70 lbs and counting. If not, I think you are correct and I will get tested for sleep apnea. That is just on the back burner right now.
 
By “scoftic” [I mean] someone who…gives witness testimony no weight whatsoever, on ideological grounds, and who asserts numerous other bits of unreasonable dogma, such as that the quantity of reports is insignificant. Scofticism is thus fanaticism behind a pose of reasonableness. The reasonable pose is “show me the evidence.” The “fine print” is all the qualifiers, and all the hidden assumptions and misdirections.

A nutshell definition of scofticism would be “scientism in disguise,” although that’s not quite accurate….Another thumbnail definition is “a cranky skeptic.” ---Roger Knights



By that definition, every good scientist is also a "scoftic". Eyewitness testimony in an unverified, uncorroborated, unquantified state cannot be accepted as evidence in and of itself. This is simple logic, owing to the known and documented facts of perceptual distortion, unintended memory embellishment, hallucination, and willful falsification. Any attempt to criticize this technique of discerning fact from fiction derives from a deeply flawed understanding of the scientific method.

Newton, Einstein, Darwin, Sagan, Hawking: All "scoftics" according to Knights' overreaching and absurd mischaracterization. The essential point he appears to be missing is that there is already a word that meets the criterion of "someone who…gives witness testimony no weight whatsoever, on ideological grounds", and that word is "skeptic". There is no need to invent a new, dismissive and insulting term for this concept.
 
Some of those scientists you mentioned above took chances and "leaps of faith" in order to further their studies, research and/or theories. That is not being a scoftic. It is far from it.
 
I can help with that. What do you think Bigfoot eats? Other than the leaves of a mulberry tree (and finds mulberries to be yucky), I mean. What do you suppose a 9 x 6 ft monster wood ape gets for the 12,000+ kcal/day it would require in that little corridor of woods along the Pasquotank River?

Deer, Fish, small game. The farm crops when available.


I'm really stoked to hear that. Obviously, since you are seeing that professional about sleep problems and not Bigfoot problems, it can not be the professional that you cryptically mentioned and indicated you wouldn't discuss further here...

I am only worried about sleep problems.

So you wouldn't even comment on what profession that professional is that bolsters your claim of seeing Bigfoot in 1982? Probably would have been better not to mention it if it needs to be a secret.

He is a psychiatrist and he has not been bolstering anything. I wish...LOL
 
That is the problem Kit, you can't even recognize the hurtful things you say. Before you ask me to "prove my claims" by copying and pasting them, I am not interested in that argument, I can deal with it. You know when I lost my temper and why I did it. I told you right here on this forum. Don't play coy.

Absolutely why should I not ask you to show me my words where I said something hurtful to you? If I said something incivil, inappropriate, and hurtful to you, I want to see those words so that I may apologize. You'll understand if I don't just take your word for it.

I posted that quote on SFB in a attempt to diffuse a situation that Crow may have started that I did not want. I was making light of the situation by saying I am OK and I can handle myself here on the JREF fine. That is all I intended. It was not a attack on you and it was a mistake to use your name.

OK, I understand. It's just that it's very bizarre to see some of that discussion going on in the PGF Munns thread at Melissa's board. There's all this handwaving about insults from skeptics and it's like, uh... where are they? It reminds me of the scene in Lost in Translation where Bill Murray's character is in his Tokyo hotel room and the Japanese prostitute comes in. She's tearing off her own clothes and pleading with Bill not to rape her while he is standing there like, "Uhhh... what are you doing?"

Melissa keeps whining about insults and if you look through the thread, the only actual insult you will find is me telling Lyndon that I think of him as an internet thug after he started bringing old baggage to the SFB and whining about me reporting him years ago for telling a female JREF member to stick something up her butt. You know, that thing that is specifically mentioned not to do in the rules?


I don't believe that not thinking you really saw a 9 x 6 ft monster wood ape amidst the civilization of the Virginia/North Carolina state line qualifies as being mean or nasty. I mean, c'mon. Look at the place we're talking about. An alleged encounter in 1982 first reported in 1998 after a long bout of alcoholism and being discussed 27 years later. I think there is a lot of room for perceptual distortion there but that's just me.

You have made this opinion very clear. I get it.

In that case what makes your claim of a Bigfoot sighting any better than the Reptoid sighting I linked on youtube?

BTW, about youtube, that brings a question to my mind. I can't show you the quote because after I quoted you from the PGF section of the SFB that Melissa removed from public view my IP address was quickly blocked (interesting timing, BTW. Did you do that or was it Melissa? Her being afraid of a skeptic being able to read and respond to the BS she makes up is her type of cowardice)

Anyway, I see that since I was thrown out for being able to effectively counter Melissa's and other Bigfoot enthusiast misconceptions and flawed logic that the Munns thread has descended into a giddy little skeptic/JREF bash piñata party. I also noticed members there making up some weird lie that JREF skeptics use youtube as a hard fact reference resource. You commented asking what's up with that? That's really funny because as you know, I often would put up youtube links for you. Sometimes it was to show you a certain area of the world but usually it was showing you the videos made by Bigfoot enthusiasts to show what they are doing. Not once have I ever relied on youtube as a resource for making statements that would require proper source verification. You don't see me telling you how many calories a bear eats before a winter torpor with a link to a youtube video that told me that. So to perpetuate that JREF skeptics are bad critical thinkers because they can't even figure out how to properly source factual information is quite intellectually dishonest and pretty much a straight up lie.

I really wish you wouldn't contribute to that blatantly false concept. I go out of my way to bring a myriad of sources and links in my posts to allow the reader to see for themselves the things I am discussing. I don't appreciate people making lies about JREF skeptics just because they can't hack debate with them. I'm not saying that's you but please understand that people here more than any Bigfoot chat room or discussion board know the importance of verifying facts.

But you are not around there Kit. You were thrown out for behavior not wanted on that forum by its owner. The fact that you or I may not agree with those rules is not the point. If you want to post there you abide by them.

You have no idea how many times I attempted to defuse the situation regarding you and the rest of the admin. I argued on your behalf on the admin forums constantly. Only for you to turn around and do the same things you were warned about again and again. You took it out of my hands Kit. News flash, If it was not for me you would have been tossed long before you were.

I think then I owe you my thanks and that only underscores how pathetic Melissa's little mutual backpatters society is. Let's not kid anyone, I was thrown out of the SFB because Melissa and her buddies got all discombobulated with having someone effectively counter their poor arguments while doing so in a civil manner. The behaviour not wanted by the owner was me disagreeing with and correcting Melissa. She can't stand being schooled by a skeptic. It happens and you can practically hear the steam kettle whistle of her anger boiling over. What did I do? Question the competence of a guy that flees from a porcupine thinking it's Bigfoot? (here would be the point where I put up three youtube videos of Bigfooters fleeing from what they think is Bigfoot) Show her in a civil and respectful manner that she was inventing arguments I wasn't making and falsely attributing double standards to me? Politely ask Melissa why we can't discuss whether or not we think the Freeman casts are hoaxes or not in a thread devoted to the collection of an admitted hoaxer? Uh oh, better delete that. That's just subversive. Did I tell her she was acting like another footer cult freak? No. HarryH (the dude) tells Melissa she is being scary and refuses her dictum not to discuss it in that thread and yet I'm the guy thrown out. What a joke. They couldn't even follow their own protocol to ban me. If you look at Melissa's idiotic "rules of engagement", anyone can see that she's intentionally made things vague so as to allow her freedom to play loose and easy with the way she interprets and enforces the rules of her sandbox.

I respect you, John, because I know you disagree with that behaviour. It's too bad Melissa can't actually hack people who disagree with her. The only skeptics she wants around there are the ones who she can kick around and make to look stupid. In reality she's banging away on the delete button for posts that show her straw men, misconceptions, outright lies, and bad critical thinking skills. Fortunately people like myself are at least smart enough to anticipate her footer cult freak behaviour and save the exchanges between us.

You're a great guy, John, but Melissa Hovey is a Bigfootery groupie and intellectual coward. She puts so much energy into whining about getting schooled by Matt Crowley that she has a hard time pulling her head out of her rear end. She says that skeptics never add anything positive to what Bigfoot "researchers" are trying to do and when you offer to help her she completely turtles and starts making up lame excuses. With people like Melissa contributing to Bigfootery gong shows it's little wonder few people take Bigfoot proponents seriously.

Here is the PM I sent you (minus your comments abstaining from the decision) with the email I received from Washingtonian telling me that my account was "suspended". Melissa was too much of a coward to do the dirty work herself and Washingtonian was too much of a coward to actually be straight up and tell me that I was banned:

kitakaze said:
I thought so. You're a smart guy and can handle healthy discussion. I just had my birthday so I really wasn't focused on it. I was expecting to be thrown out and that is why I recorded all my posts recently.

Melissa has every right to kick me out of her forum but if she wants to pretend that it was reasonable, justified, or following the rules as she wrote them, she is just kidding herself. Any intelligent and unbiased person can see that I was not trolling and intent on making trouble. Bigfoot is zoological black and white question and people who can't handle civil and informed debate on it act more like religious zealots than "researchers".

As you are now an admin at the board I will share with you the email I was sent and my response to it. There has of course been no reply:

Washingtonian,

While I disagree with the justification and the reasoning, I fully understand that yourself and others were uncomfortable with my participation and expected this. It was for that reason and anticipated deletion of posts that I saved my posts as well as those of the people I was interacting with.

I ask only one question for clarity. You inform me that my account has been suspended. Is this the two week suspension prescribed in the rules or in actuality an effective permanent ban (or at least for the foreseeable future)? I have acknowledged to Melissa and she has told me that she and the other administrators reserve the ability to remove my ability to post on the Search For Bigfoot forum at anytime, as you have decided to do. I am aware acutely of the rules and the way their wording can be applied and that my contributions contradict the purposes of the forum as well as the penalties:

PENALTIES:
First offense: Warning level increase with explanation.
Second Offense: Warning level increase with explanation.
Third Offense: Warning level increase with explanation.
Fourth Offense: Suspension of 2(two) weeks duration and possible moderation review of posts indefinitely upon your return.
Fifth and Final Offense: Permanent banishment.


I was suspended for two weeks then changed to three days after I questioned the competence of a person who posted a video on youtube of a porcupine as a baby Bigfoot.

I had posts deleted and my warning level increased for "negativity and potshots" after I made a civil and calm rebuttal to Melissa demonstrating that I was not implementing double standards with regards to image comparisons with Bob Heironimus and the PGF subject as well as a post seeking clarification from Melissa about being able to discuss the veracity of an admitted hoaxer's (Paul Freeman) alleged Bigfoot cast with at least 26 individual creatures represented.

I told Lyndon that I thought of him as an internet thug in this exchange:

Lyndon:

"You remember Kitakaze, before you tried to get me banned?? You remember when you tried to get me banned don't you? For usage of the word 'arse'? Oh my, shock horror. You called the mods, the admins n' everything. You even rang the dinner bell for crying out loud."

Myself:

"Yes, I remember some years ago reporting you for incivility. You were breaking your MA agreement and being extremely vulgar to a female member. It wasn't use of the word "arse" but rather what you told that woman what to do with it. You think I'll feel bad about the only time I've ever reported a person? Don't make me laugh. You said far worse to me. You're little above an internet thug to me and old chips on your shoulder don't concern me in the least. Time has done nothing to improve your foul character. I'm only interested in whatever broken logic you try to pass off as intelligent argument about Bigfoot."

This is a person who has made sexual slurs to members on the JREF, used the word "faggot" in reference to me, and has many warnings for violations of membership agreements on the JREF.

You say that I was trash talking and making derogatory comments to other members as well as staff members. Though I would understand if you were uninterested in making the effort, I would ask you to find anything that could be interpretted as trash talking and derogatory comments to members and staff beyond what I outlined above.

I might also point out the many words of respect, admiration, and support I wrote towards many members and staff on your forum and the fact that I am currently speaking in support of John Cartwright at the JREF. It is there that I have also written in support of the SFB and ABS.

I understand the desires and reasoning of those who wanted me removed permanently from th SFB. I ask only for confirmation of that permanence for clarity and future reference. I do hope you enjoy your return to normalcy.

Regards,

KK




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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:12:26 -0700
Subject: Account suspension
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Kitakaze,

In response to multiple complaints I have done a review of your postings on the Search for Bigfoot forum.

First of all I found that you have been warned numerous times about the violations of the rules of this forum. Often times you have assured the staff that you have read the rules, and that you will abide by them only to once again violate the rules just a few days later.

I find that you have treated other members as well as staff members in a very contemptuous manner and have even refused to abide by the staff's request as to your manner of posts.

I find that you have brought arguments to this forum that were on-going at other forums which is also a violation of the rules.

This forum is not a place to make posts that ridicule other peoples work. This kind of posting is non constructive as you are taking their work out of the realm of where they have posted it and bringing it to this forum.

Your treatment of other members in a manner that is belittling is simply not acceptable in this forum, we think too much of our members to subject them to such treatment.

You have taken several threads off topic, even to the point of questioning other members about things completely unrelated to the topic of the thread only to give yourself more "ammunition" to fire at them.

You time and time again make reference to past discussions in a condescending manner to members and staff that were either long ago resolved or the parties involved have dropped the discussion and you do so in threads that are completely unrelated to the issue that you raise, once again going off topic.

I find that you have done more than your share of trash talking and derogatory comments to other members as well as staff members who have shown you a great deal of tolerance each time you say that you will not do it again, yet it does happen again and again.

I have reviewed my findings with the staff and we have decided that we simply cannot tolerate this kind of posting anymore. Therefore it has been decided to suspend your account.

As I mentioned earlier your actions are not in keeping with the spirit or the purposes of this forum that are clearly stated.

Washingtonian

Please understand that I am going to go out of my way to keep you out of my firing line but with my anticipated banning I am now going to focus much critical attention on Melissa, the SFB, and the ABS. I feel absolutely no anger about being banned. As I said, I expected it but in no way tried to make it happen. I considered it like an experiment. Just continue to ask the reasonable questions that any person who isn't married to the idea of Bigfoot being real would ask.

Oh well. Melissa and her friends want to act like zealots, they'll get treated like zealots.

KK

PS - would you mind relaying to HarryH that his support and kind words were much appreciated? Also that while it's too bad we won't be able to continue discussion on the SFB, he is more than welcome to join us here where things are far more reasonable and active.
 
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Thanks, I hope it helps me too.

No never broke my nose before. I think if I continue to lose weight my snoring will get better. I have lost 70 lbs and counting. If not, I think you are correct and I will get tested for sleep apnea. That is just on the back burner right now.

Holy cow! That's excellent. How have you done it? Lot's of hiking I hope. I can PM you some excellent excercise and diet advice if you're ever interested. Sounds like you're doing great on your own.
 
Deer, Fish, small game. The farm crops when available.

OK, let's think about this. How does a Bigfoot fish? We discussed this at SFB. I showed you salmon spawns here on Vancouver Island and showed you how every predator and scavenger will make use of them and yet we never see Bigfoot.

And deer and small game? OK, how does Bigfoot hunt deer, rabbits, possum, etc. He not using his nose and he certainly isn't using his claws. He's 9 x 6 ft and on two feet in heavy growth. He's not going to be able to keep up with a deer or rabbit. He's not going to be using his nose or the fangs and claws he doesn't have. Well, what great apes do you know of that hunt?

And now would be the time for the youtube links. Please let me know if I'm propagating misinformation, thanks. Here's some chimps hunting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=309_ceqWkmg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nok3TOwOxsE

See them hunting the colobus monkies? That's not an easy feat. It takes great intelligence and teamwork. They use learned behaviours taught to them by other chimps. So how exactly is Bigfoot hunting it's prey? And how come we never find any Bigfoot kills that we can acquire DNA samples from?

And farmer crops? Well, no kidding. There's the no-brainer. Look again at the Google map I showed you. That little corridor of wilderness surrounding the Pasquotank is completely surrounded by farmland. Any Bigfoot would be an idiot not to try and hit some crops and fruit trees of the surrounding agriculture and civilization. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that this makes their eluding discovery by modern science a completely ridiculous prospect.

Damn zoobies dun bin in mah crops agin. I'ma blast me one a them peckerwoods!

I am only worried about sleep problems.

Any comment on whether this professional is the the same professional who you insinuated gave the opinion that you didn't have any sleep-related dream, hallucination, or distorted memory?

You say you are only worried about sleep problems so I guess it must be difficult when the psychiatrist asks what you have nightmares about. Please, if I'm prying too much, say so. I'm just so stoked that you're seeking proper help.

He is a psychiatrist and he has not been bolstering anything. I wish...LOL

See, now this makes me think we are talkng about the same professional. Again, I don't want to pry into your personal stuff and a process you've just started. It's just you made a cryptic remark that makes it sound like a psychiatrist rejected the idea that you didn't see a Bigfoot.
 
By “scoftic” [I mean] someone who…gives witness testimony no weight whatsoever, on ideological grounds, and who asserts numerous other bits of unreasonable dogma, such as that the quantity of reports is insignificant. Scofticism is thus fanaticism behind a pose of reasonableness. The reasonable pose is “show me the evidence.” The “fine print” is all the qualifiers, and all the hidden assumptions and misdirections.

A nutshell definition of scofticism would be “scientism in disguise,” although that’s not quite accurate….Another thumbnail definition is “a cranky skeptic.” ---Roger Knights



By that definition, every good scientist is also a "scoftic". Eyewitness testimony in an unverified, uncorroborated, unquantified state cannot be accepted as evidence in and of itself. This is simple logic, owing to the known and documented facts of perceptual distortion, unintended memory embellishment, hallucination, and willful falsification. Any attempt to criticize this technique of discerning fact from fiction derives from a deeply flawed understanding of the scientific method.

Newton, Einstein, Darwin, Sagan, Hawking: All "scoftics" according to Knights' overreaching and absurd mischaracterization. The essential point he appears to be missing is that there is already a word that meets the criterion of "someone who…gives witness testimony no weight whatsoever, on ideological grounds", and that word is "skeptic". There is no need to invent a new, dismissive and insulting term for this concept.

*Forrest Gump drill sergeant* Goddamn it, Vort! You're a goddamned genius! That's the most outstanding answer I've ever heard! You must have a goddamned I.Q. of 160! You are goddamned gifted, Private Vort! *Forrest Gump drill sergeant*
 
Did the figures look more like blobs/shadows or like hair covered gorillas on the base? You would agree that both of your incidents involved an animal larger than the average man, correct? Because you said the subject in your 2nd sighting cleared a known height mark you mentioned before?



Other than those 2 encounters, have there been any other times in which you may have seen or have heard something you cant explain, and then say "Maybe"?

>>>Did the figures look more like blobs/shadows or like hair covered gorillas on the base?

What part of fuzzy, long range and halo didnt you understand?

>>>You would agree that both of your incidents involved an animal larger than the average man, correct? Because you said the subject in your 2nd sighting cleared a known height mark you mentioned before?

Did you not comprehend what I wrote?

>>>Other than those 2 encounters, have there been any other times in which you may have seen or have heard something you cant explain, and then say "Maybe

I have seen and heard lots of things I couldnt explain for whatever reason at that time but none that trigger a "bigfoot" response
 
Bigfoot raids Farmer Brown, huh?

WGBH,

Your statement that BF would raid farm crops shows a complete lack of knowledge of things rural.

Have you ever seen the damage that a single groundhog can do to an alfalfa field? Have you ever seen damage that whitetail deer can do to crops and gardens?

The idea that a 9x6 BF is raiding local farmers fields and remains undetected is absolutely ridiculous. A single foraging BF would cut a wide swath of destruction that would have local farmers out late at nite with guns to shoot the critter.
 
Kit, here is the definition by the man who came up with the word.

By “scoftic” [I mean] someone who…gives witness testimony no weight whatsoever, on ideological grounds, and who asserts numerous other bits of unreasonable dogma, such as that the quantity of reports is insignificant. Scofticism is thus fanaticism behind a pose of reasonableness. The reasonable pose is “show me the evidence.” The “fine print” is all the qualifiers, and all the hidden assumptions and misdirections.

A nutshell definition of scofticism would be “scientism in disguise,” although that’s not quite accurate….Another thumbnail definition is “a cranky skeptic.” ---Roger Knights

It's just a definition used to describe a behavior, just like the one you gave above for Bigfoot enthusiast.

Oh yippee, some more pseudo-intellectual blather yap from the ever-goofy, Roger Knights. Excuse me while I pummel that stupidity...

1) Oh heavens, no. I don't think the quantity of reports of Bigfoot sightings is insignificant at all. Bigfoot enthusiasts like to talk about how many hundreds of sightings are reported a year and the thousands in total. What they don't realize is that they effectively just kicked themselves in the nuts. They don't seem to get that talking about huge exorbitant numbers of sightings is actually damaging the credibility of their proposition. Right, OK, four hundred sightings a year and that chance for a type specimen, reliable evidence, or unambiguous imagery just keeps slipping through our grasp. How many people a year see a Javan rhino in the wild? and yet we have unambiguous video of what is probably the rarest large mammal on Earth living in remote, inaccessible, dense jungle. About 40–50 live in Ujung Kulon National Park on the island of Java in Indonesia and a small population, estimated in 2007 to be no more than eight, survives in Cat Tien National Park in Vietnam. Bigfoot, on the other hand, apparently has a more succesful range than the grizzly bear, black bear, an cougar and is allegedly seen hundreds of times all across two of the most industrialized nations on the planet.

I think Roger Knights fell out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down.

See, now I'm being insulting. I think Roger Knights is an idiot.

2) I would not completely dismiss alleged sightings. I would be very interested to hear about a group of wildlife biologists or similar scientists and expert observers have a group encounter of a Bigfoot at close range doing something that would make it very difficult to be a man in a suit or misidentification. If park rangers in a place like Gifford Pinchot National Forest in Washington state kept logging close encounters with Bigfoots and had consistent details that would make a hoax or misidentification very difficult, I'd be very interested. That would really get my attention. It wouldn't be proof but it would be a lot better than anything you guys are trotting around at Bigfoot conventions now.

Roger Knights is one of those people that isn't half as bright as he thinks he is.

Can you name three? Yes, but why name names?

Indulge me. You guys throw around the term "scoftic" so freely (even though most Bigfooters consider the term to be quite stupid now and worn out) that I think you should be able to have the beans to actually tag some specific people with it. You tagged me, let's see you tag three more. I'm guessing you'll tag anyone here who thought you were lying.

Am I a scoftic? If we go by the definition above, yes.

Interesting that you would label me with an idiotic term while getting bothered that I use one that your own fellow Bigfoot enthusiasts like Billy Willard and DB Donlon use. Seeing how Roger's definition was fall-down stupid, I'm not really worried. If you can show me unreasonably dismissing a legitimate proposition without due investigation, research, and consideration, you let me know. Then I will be worried about my own critical thinking skills.

Do I unfairly dismiss legitimate propositions and evidence unfairly without research and due consideration?

The propositions, yes.

Which propositions would those be, John? That despite the gong show of hoaxer idiots and Bigfoot enthusiasts farting around in the Salt Fork State Park in Ohio, that there may actually be a population of monster 9 ft wood apes obtaining 12,000+ kcal/day individually, breeding, making weirdo stick structures, chucking things at people, putting the stink on them, roaring like thunder, and screaming like dying ladies in places such as the handicapped picnic area and outside the ranger station amongst the 23 square miles of the park.

Well, since I've researched it and the alleged evidence in detail and confirmed that it is indeed as stupid as it sounds, I'm not to worried about being called a "scoftic" for that.

You don't have to label me at all. You can just call me John.

But Susan has such a nice ring to it.:D

I won't call you a Bigfoot enthusiast (even though it's perfectly appropriate) if it really bugs you but don't forget to tell all those guys like Billy, DB, Loren Coleman, etc to stop using it. Is there anything suitable for your tastes that isn't a misnomer like "Bigfoot researcher"?

There are many ways to resolve the issue that don't involve Bigfoot enthusiast chat rooms, internet radio shows, and conventions. That is not to say that you are to be criticized for following that path. You live in the United States of America, not Indonesia, and there are ways of resolving if there are gargantuan monster mammals in your neck of the woods. I've given you some of the essential information necessary which took me only a matter of minutes to think of and search out.

If it was so easy, why hasn't it been solved?

Your Bigfoot problem or the question in general?

For you I would say it's because you waste to much time in Bigfoot enthusiast chat rooms and internet radio shows and not enough talking to wildlife and enviromental experets in your area about what can and can't be there undiscovered.

In general, I'd say there's no problem. I'd say that all the available evidence points to Bigfoot being a social construct perpetuated by silly people playing an adult roleplaying game. Hoaxes, lies, midentifications, fantasies, etc. That's what I think Bigfoot is.

BTW, would you call yourself a cryptozoology enthusiast? Like, is it something you enjoy?

No, I call myself John, nice to meet you. The only "cryptid I am interested in is Bigfoot.Enjoy it? Not really. I enjoy the company of my friends.

Oh dear, that's not good. You should tell Melissa or somebody to fix this then:

Investigators of the American Bigfoot Society said:
John Cartwright, Virginia/North Carolina

John Cartwright is a lifelong resident of Norfolk/Virginia Beach,VA. He is a Administrator for a large company. He is 44 and single. He had a sighting of the animal in the fall of 1982 near the Great Dismal Swamp in North Carolina.

He became involved in research to help overcome trauma from his sighting. He began going into the field again in May 2008.

He joined Sasquatch Watch of Virginia in September 2008. In his spare time he enjoys writing, rock music, soccer and of course cryptozoology.

http://americanbigfootsociety.weebly.com/abs-investigators.html

Doh!

Hey, Melissa can you block that site from my IP address also? LOL
 
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