From Rapture Ready

[Mr Clingford]

...Obama really is a legitimate U.S. citizen.

But he is the anti-Christ (we are just keeping that quiet until Armageddon).

Ah, must remind myself more often that I may be wrong.


Hawaii also has clear seas in which one can freedive and fantastic volcanoes. I must go there in the next year or two.

 

[Hokulele]

Ah, must remind myself more often that I may be wrong.


Hawaii also has clear seas in which one can freedive and fantastic volcanoes. I must go there in the next year or two.

If you do, please PM as I would be more than happy to make recommendations or play tour guide (although Sunday mornings may be out, that's my surf time ).

I can even make some decent beer suggestions...

 

[Mr Clingford]

If you do, please PM as I would be more than happy to make recommendations or play tour guide (although Sunday mornings may be out, that's my surf time ).

I can even make some decent beer suggestions...

Thank you; that is most kind.

I will keep this in mind. I'm sure my partner (who is also a reasonably sane theist) wouldn't take much persuading (although she isn't keen on the mix of volcanoes and me!).

Mmmm, beer: the source and solution of all our problems.

 

[Seismosaurus]

Oh so were the Egyptians just being gullible when Obama gave his speech there or did he really mean it? I am not kidding when I say I think he's an undercover Muslim but if not he tells everyone what they want to hear just to gain their support.

I think the same thing about you, actually. It's pretty obvious to me that you are secretly a muslim who just pretends to be a christian.

I'm sorry but we need to wake up in the US and realize this hidden agenda of the Muslim nations is no laughing matter.

And yet, it keeps on making me laugh.

As for what I believe, everything going on in the UK is also going on everywhere in the whole world, we are all truly in a spiritual battle. Tell me when you die where would you prefer to be in the smoking or non-smoking section?

P.S. I still believe in the rapture of the church, but if I die before that happens I would prefer to end up in the non smoking section for all of eternity!

There IS nothing in particular going on in the UK when it comes to christianity. 60% of the population calls themselves christian. Nobody is banning christianity, nobody is restricting it any more than is fair and reasonable. It's a total non issue.

 

[Monster Machine]

Your right I must be more kind when I try to warn others if I think people are being deceived, I'm sorry if I spoke too harshly but I just do not trust Obama and he is appearing to want to cause our nation to fall and become socialistic. Don't you agree this would be a bad thing for the USA? If the rapture doesn't happen in my lifetime I do not want to live in a socialistic country or have this happen to my children or grandchildren.

I appreciate your realization about choosing your words more carefully when addressing your beliefs versus those of the others here.

If you don't trust Obama, you have to base that trust on concrete policies he has put into place, and not gut feelings you have, IMO. If he has done something for you to mistrust him, then you have something to stand on other than the rhetoric thrown out there by misguided (and sometimes ill intentioned) people. You have to examine the EVIDENCE to come up with a political opinion.

Personally, I can't speak as to whether his "socialist" tendencies would be bad for your country as I am not an American.

Finally, waiting for the rapture to "clean up this mess" is a cop out. You don't know when this event will occur based on your bible. So, in the meantime, you and those who share this belief are willing to let the world around you go to hell and not help fix it. This is truly sad, Kathy. If you don't want your children or grandchildren to live in a country you perceive as bad, then what are you doing TODAY to fix it, rather than wait for someone else (God) to deal with it?

I also have some very strong concerns about the growing wickedness in the world as we know it and what can be done to change it.

YOU have the ability to encourage physical change, Kathy. If you are truly that concerned with wickedness then get out there and right some of the wrongs you feel are being done.

I am a California native American girl who does care very much who sits in our Presidents seat taking control of our nation. I am VERY concerned why people tell me Obama never produced a birth certificate? Do you know if this is true and if so how the heck could he become president of the US without proof he is an American?

This is baloney propogated by people whose favoured candidate didn't get in. It's also quite irrelevant at this point. The fact remains that Obama was democratically elected POTUS. Deal with it.

And it would take a lot more time to go into all the difference between Islam and Christianity which I do not intend to go into. All I want to share is I follow Jesus teachings which I know are the truth. And even though I am a sinner in need of God's forgiveness Jesus is the only one who can grant me or anyone that. There is only one way to the Father.

Kathy, given your history of not really formulating decent arguments, I think you should have just said, I don't know Islam well enough to comment on the differences. That's it. And once admitted you don't know enough about it, you should keep your opinions on the matter to yourself as you would have admitted you're not well informed. Much like I can't comment on your political environment as an American because I am not one. I don't know what it's like to live as an American so I can't comment on it.

I appreciate your devotion to your faith - as far as I am concerned, anyone can believe in whatever they want. What concerns me about YOUR faith is that you are relying on a supernatural event to fix what you perceive to be a dying world. You are willing to allow child abuse to continue, drug abuse to continue, the slaughter of innocents in foreign countries to continue because you believe it will be reconciled when Jesus returns. But you readily admit your uncertainty of this event happening any time soon. You have HOPE that it will. How is HOPE in this reconciliation helping a child being beaten by a parent right now?

Monster

 

[Ladewig]

I am VERY concerned why people tell me Obama never produced a birth certificate?

And you wonder why you make so little progress with converting people on this board.

As long as you maintain that the world is less than 10,000 years old, you will convince no one on this board of the validity of your claims. As long as you claim that Obama is not a U.S. citizen eligible for the presidency, you will convince no one on this board of the validity of your claims.

So once again we see why you are the very worst person to proselytize at the JREF board. Please go away and send us someone who understands the rules of logic, the rules of evidence, and the rules of debate. If you really wanted to reach us, you would find someone to take your place. As it stands it is clear that you are motivated purely by pride. And that's a sin, Kathy.

 

[Monster Machine]

If you don't trust Obama, you have to base that trust on concrete policies he has put into place, and not gut feelings you have, IMO.

Sorry - meant to say, "gut feelings based on innuendo and rumour".

monster

 

[Roadtoad]

Your right I must be more kind when I try to warn others if I think people are being deceived, I'm sorry if I spoke too harshly but I just do not trust Obama and he is appearing to want to cause our nation to fall and become socialistic. Don't you agree this would be a bad thing for the USA? If the rapture doesn't happen in my lifetime I do not want to live in a socialistic country or have this happen to my children or grandchildren.

Un-be-freaking-lievable.

Edited by Locknar: 

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IF our nation is becoming socialistic, as you describe it, it will be because American citizens like yourself refused to educate themselves as to the critical differences between the various political systems, and how they operate.

I don't trust Obama, either, but I'm not about to get into name calling and spewing unfounded accusations against the man for what he "might" do.

I also have some very strong concerns about the growing wickedness in the world as we know it and what can be done to change it. I am a California native American girl who does care very much who sits in our Presidents seat taking control of our nation. I am VERY concerned why people tell me Obama never produced a birth certificate? Do you know if this is true and if so how the heck could he become president of the US without proof he is an American?

This is baseless. This is further evidence of your veiled racism and your perpetual ignorance. Obama already provided a birth certificate; he had to in order to register to vote in the first place. (At least, that WAS the requirement when I first registered to vote in California back in '78.)

And it would take a lot more time to go into all the difference between Islam and Christianity which I do not intend to go into. All I want to share is I follow Jesus teachings which I know are the truth. And even though I am a sinner in need of God's forgiveness Jesus is the only one who can grant me or anyone that. There is only one way to the Father.

And if we had to find evidence of there even BEING a father in your actions, we'd be hard pressed to find it. Ergo, there is NO father, there is NO god.

Attack the argument, not the arguer.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Locknar

 

[slingblade]

Kathy, your bible also preaches humility.

You are wrong about Obama. You are quite wrong about his birth certificate and his citizenship.

Now that you know this, you really need to humble yourself, admit you were wrong, and apologize. I will be judging your Christianity on whether you do so, or not. I expect you will not. You will show you do not possess an humble and contrite heart.

And baby jesus will cry.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I'm sure my partner (who is also a reasonably sane theist) wouldn't take much persuading (although she isn't keen on the mix of volcanoes and me!).

Volcano sacrifice is strictly "virgins only".

 

[kurious_kathy]

Kathy, your bible also preaches humility.

You are wrong about Obama. You are quite wrong about his birth certificate and his citizenship.

Now that you know this, you really need to humble yourself, admit you were wrong, and apologize. I will be judging your Christianity on whether you do so, or not. I expect you will not. You will show you do not possess an humble and contrite heart.

And baby jesus will cry.

Who are you to judge me for my opinion? I do not trust Obama for a reason as he does certainly not look like a Christian man in any way. We are called to contend for the faith and if someone seems off to me I will speak up about it as everyone does.

The Lord will forgive me when I'm wrong (because I ask him to) but the only hope I feel we have while Obama is in office is if he does get saved. Sorry I am boisdross again, but Jesus would change that man if he really came to a saving faith as it's inevitable when Jesus takes up residency in a person. One of the first signs to me of this happening would be he would change his belief about abortion. This is a biggy to me as Jesus changed me on that one too. Just because abortion is legal does not make it right.

Also when I look around this world seems everything is being controlled by the anti Christ and Satan already, but we only know what God reveals in scripture that it will get worse before it gets better. Once the rapture of the church happens and the Holy Spirit who restrains evil is removed from this world it is going to get even worse. I would strongly suggest none of us be here to see that!

 

[elbe]

Once the rapture of the church happens and the Holy Spirit who restrains evil is removed from this world it is going to get even worse. I would strongly suggest none of us be here to see that!

And yet, I totally want to see that.

 

[Agatha]

He "doesn't look like a Christian man" to you? Oh, please, explain.

 

[slingblade]

Who are you to judge me for my opinion?

Who do I have to be?

Your opinion, Kathy, is WRONG, because it's based on a lie. Obama is as much a U.S. citizen as you are. Calling this lie your "opinion" does not protect you from criticism. Opinions CAN BE WRONG if they are based on faulty information as yours is.

I do not trust Obama for a reason as he does certainly not look like a Christian man in any way.

And what does a Christian look like? White?
Where in the bible does it say that we judge who is a Christian based on his looks?
Who cares if you trust him? He's still your president.

We are called to contend for the faith and if someone seems off to me I will speak up about it as everyone does.

Even if you're completely wrong and refuse to accept that you are wrong, and won't even go check?

The Lord will forgive me when I'm wrong (because I ask him to) but the only hope I feel we have while Obama is in office is if he does get saved. Sorry I am boisdross again,

Not a word. BOISTEROUS or VOCIFEROUS are words. Boisdross and voicetross are NOT WORDS! Why do you persist in this ignorance?

but Jesus would change that man if he really came to a saving faith as it's inevitable when Jesus takes up residency in a person. One of the first signs to me of this happening would be he would change his belief about abortion. This is a biggy to me as Jesus changed me on that one too. Just because abortion is legal does not make it right.

Obama says he is a Christian. Who are you to judge him?

Also when I look around this world seems everything is being controlled by the anti Christ and Satan already, but we only know what God reveals in scripture that it will get worse before it gets better. Once the rapture of the church happens and the Holy Spirit who restrains evil is removed from this world it is going to get even worse. I would strongly suggest none of us be here to see that!

Here. Read this.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-obama-birth-certificate-photo,0,7688869.photo




Now what do you say, Kathy? Does this PROOF change your opinion, or can you still not manage to be humble and contrite?

 

[Lrrr]

I do not trust Obama for a reason as he does certainly not look like a Christian man in any way.

Oh my freaking ${deity}! Obama does not look like a Christian man in any way??? For FSM sake, Kathy, if Jesus was real he looked more like Obama than he does in any of the "beautiful, long haired white dude" pictures in your church. He was from a part of the world where he would look like a Jewish or possibly Arabic man.

We may need to add more rope to get to your new depth of ignorance.

 

[Ladewig]

Who are you to judge me for my opinion?

And who are you to judge Obama?! I'll admit that there is one timeless principle that is found in the Bible: sanctimonious people will always be a-holes. It was true in Jesus's time and it is still true today.

Obama is an undercover Muslim?! Go peddle your bigotry somewhere else KK because no one here is buying it.

Every post you make drives people further from Christianity. I laugh at your epic fail.

 

[Toke]

The Lord will forgive me when I'm wrong (because I ask him to)

That sounds a bit optimistic to me, it does not mach an eternal hell.

What if someone ask for forgivenes on the way to hell, or after a few seconds on the spit?

 

[Foster Zygote]

I do not trust Obama for a reason as he does certainly not look like a Christian man in any way.

Wow! Tell us, Cathy, what does a "Christian man" look like? Is he white?

 

[joobz]

Who are you to judge me for my opinion? I do not trust Obama for a reason as he does certainly not look like a Christian man in any way.

Is he too tan for your liking? I'm surprized your post didn't contain the word Uppity.

We are called to contend for the faith and if someone seems off to me I will speak up about it as everyone does.

Just don't expect me to accept your prejudiced opinions.

The Lord will forgive me when I'm wrong (because I ask him to)

So you now command god?

Also when I look around this world seems everything is being controlled by the anti Christ and Satan already, but we only know what God reveals in scripture that it will get worse before it gets better.

Is that because we abandoned good christian morals like slavery, sexism and racism?

 

[Hokulele]

Who are you to judge me for my opinion? I do not trust Obama for a reason as he does certainly not look like a Christian man in any way. We are called to contend for the faith and if someone seems off to me I will speak up about it as everyone does.

I seem to recall that bearing false witness against a neighbor is a no-no.