Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

[RayG]

I thought you said you didn't seek professional help?

RayG

 

[kitakaze]

for whatever reason, is closed to the possibility of hypnagogia.

yes, pretty much.

I don't understand why you are closed to that idea. Early in this thread we highlighted a number of aspects of your encounter story that are very consistent with a sleep state-related experience. The only thing you could offer to refute was that it didn't happen again which is an invalid argument that doesn't address the reality of how people can experience such things or the unique circumstances you were under.

 

[kitakaze]

The most rational explanation would be that I saw what I saw.

I'm sorry, John, but no matter how many times you assert that, it doesn't make it true. 9 x 6ft monster wood apes in NC are no more plausible than the vividly described sightings of Reptoids, Dogmen, Greys, ghosts, chupacabras, etc. People see things that aren't there and believe them all the time. People's minds distort memories all the time. The power of perception is something known and studied. Monster wood apes have no more evidence than E.T. visitors.

 

[kitakaze]

John, here is the Pasquotank River as seen from above...

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=Pasquotank river Pasquotank County&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

And the Great Dismal Swamp...

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=great dismal swamp&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

Notice the Pasquotank River is in a narrow corridor of farmland and would also have been in 1982. Note that the Great Dismal Swamp is completely surrounded by farmland with Lake Drummond smack in the middle and the major residential areas of Portsmouth, Norfolk, and Chesapeake to the Northeast and Suffolk to the Northwest. The idea that now or in 1982 a species of up to 9 x 6 ft monster wood ape that screams like a dying lady, roars, throws things at people, approaches hunters, and reeks horribly was/is maintaining a population in there is as bad as calling Reptoids. It is so far gone. Even just thinking that one made it in there somehow is ridiculous.

I'm not insulting you at all, just putting in front of your eyes what we're really dealing with. Look at those photos. Zoom in and out and play around with them. Try and plot out a habitat for Bigfoots and how they got in there without being discovered by modern science. Remember how extensive the history of human manipulation of that environment is.

 

[HarryHenderson]

Okay. We've established that.

Can we end this pointless thread now? It's circular-skeptics offering suggestions and John responding that he saw Bigfoot. I thought, at first, that he might have come here for answers to help with the trauma he suffered, but, since he has rejected every explanation offered, that isn't so. We can't help much with the PTSD, except offer suggestions, whch we have.

John can now tell his friends that he wasn't swayed by the skeptics, which I'm guessing was the intent all along.

I suggest we all request that this thread be closed, or just let it die. We're just chasing our own tails.

At the risk of a mod beating for following the same poster around the board too closely (joke son - only 2nd quote today), desertgal's suggestion is timely and makes true sense. I've been giving WGBH as much 'slack' as anyone probably could, considering it's been 2-3 YEARS, but it's time to get a grip on reality. WGBH saw Bigfoot! And we need to get over it. Cosmic truth isn't really such a big player in this little game. And besides, had I been the one to see that 9x6 monster depicted in the comparison pic above, I'd be the one regularly seeking the nearest Liquor For Good Mental Health™ store. Yes, the one next to that Cigarettes Make You Breathe Better™ store.

 

[makaya325]

I'm sorry, John, but no matter how many times you assert that, it doesn't make it true. 9 x 6ft monster wood apes in NC are no more plausible than the vividly described sightings of Reptoids, Dogmen, Greys, ghosts, chupacabras, etc. People see things that aren't there and believe them all the time. People's minds distort memories all the time. The power of perception is something known and studied. Monster wood apes have no more evidence than E.T. visitors.

They do have better evidence than honest republicans!

 

[makaya325]

No, that explanation is irrational, for the simple reason that no logical mechanism exists by which a breeding population of 9-foot tall, hideously odorous primates could have gone undetected by biologists, all while obtaining 10000+ calories a day without the required somatic traits to do so (namely good sniffers or claws for digging), in an area of the eastern US which has been studied and researched for decades, and in which far smaller animals have been catalogued and classified, for 50+ years while people are actively looking for it.

That paragraph, Vort, made me confident there no monsta's in the woods.

 

[WGBH]

Not even beer goggles?

Well, I must admit yes to that.

 

[WGBH]

I thought you said you didn't seek professional help?

RayG

Not until last week. Please don't ask me to comment on personal medical issues and today will only be my second session anyway.

 

[WGBH]

John, here is the Pasquotank River as seen from above...

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=Pasquotank river Pasquotank County&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

And the Great Dismal Swamp...

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=great dismal swamp&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

Notice the Pasquotank River is in a narrow corridor of farmland and would also have been in 1982. Note that the Great Dismal Swamp is completely surrounded by farmland with Lake Drummond smack in the middle and the major residential areas of Portsmouth, Norfolk, and Chesapeake to the Northeast and Suffolk to the Northwest. The idea that now or in 1982 a species of up to 9 x 6 ft monster wood ape that screams like a dying lady, roars, throws things at people, approaches hunters, and reeks horribly was/is maintaining a population in there is as bad as calling Reptoids. It is so far gone. Even just thinking that one made it in there somehow is ridiculous.

I'm not insulting you at all, just putting in front of your eyes what we're really dealing with. Look at those photos. Zoom in and out and play around with them. Try and plot out a habitat for Bigfoots and how they got in there without being discovered by modern science. Remember how extensive the history of human manipulation of that environment is.

Kit what makes you think that the area is the same as 1982? There were not even any major roads except Route 17 in 1982 and then it was only one lane in each direction. When I was down there a few weeks ago the area looks totally different. It used to take 90 mins to get there in 1982, it now takes 45 mins. I am not saying you are wrong but just curious as to your reasoning.
The area has been significantly developed.

 

[WGBH]

At the risk of a mod beating for following the same poster around the board too closely (joke son - only 2nd quote today), desertgal's suggestion is timely and makes true sense. I've been giving WGBH as much 'slack' as anyone probably could, considering it's been 2-3 YEARS, but it's time to get a grip on reality. WGBH saw Bigfoot! And we need to get over it. Cosmic truth isn't really such a big player in this little game. And besides, had I been the one to see that 9x6 monster depicted in the comparison pic above, I'd be the one regularly seeking the nearest Liquor For Good Mental Health™ store. Yes, the one next to that Cigarettes Make You Breathe Better™ store.

Why is it a waste of time to talk about it? I can understand if you are bored with the topic as you may be because of our history. Not everyone here seems to feel that way though. What kind of slack have you given me Harry? Are you admitting that deep down you feel I am a liar and have been kind to me for all these years? You think I do not suspect you feel this way or that it does not make me feel terrible when it comes from someone I respect like yourself?

 

[desertgal]

Why is it a waste of time to talk about it?

I realize that my posts are invisible to you, but I'll respond anyway.

As I already said, what will talking about it further achieve? You've described the experience in full, and answered questions that clarified it. The details have been covered=the only thing left is to discuss the same details over and over again. You won't relinquish your position that the only reasonable explanation was that it was a Bigfoot. Since you refuse to consider alternate explanations, any further advice we might give you to help you deal with your issues is extremely limited-and, really, requires a professional mental health professional, not skeptics on a message board. In the beginning, you mentioned that you were looking for answers - in general, or from us, or both, I'm not sure - but we can give you neither, much as we might want to help, since you reject all explanations but your own. All that is left is rising exasperation. We've already seen Crowlogic, a long time member, cancel her membership here because of the events in this thread that are born of exasperation. Perhaps, as you say, you have a thick skin, and don't mind that - but that doesn't mean the rest of us feel the same way. We don't want to wade through further exasperated remarks to discuss what has already been discussed.

To sum up:
Your explanation is right - alternate explanations are not.
Further discussion will not change the above.
Stalemate.

 

[WGBH]

I realize that my posts are invisible to you, but I'll respond anyway.

Your posts are not invisible to me

As I already said, what will talking about it further achieve? You've described the experience in full, and answered questions that clarified it. The details have been covered=the only thing left is to discuss the same details over and over again.

You won't relinquish your position that the only reasonable explanation was that it was a Bigfoot. Since you refuse to consider alternate explanations, any further advice we might give you to help you deal with your issues is extremely limited-and, really, requires a professional mental health professional,not skeptics on a message board. In the beginning, you mentioned that you were looking for answers - in general, or from us, or both, I'm not sure - but we can give you neither, much as we might want to help, since you reject all explanations but your own.


I have only refused to consider armchair opinions regarding my mental and ethical capacities. I do not refuse the help of a mental health professional regarding my sleep problems. In fact it has begun.

I am not seeking answers regarding my encounter. This thread was for me to answer the JREF forum questions about it, as I was asked. Sorry if that was lost on you. I am seeking new ideas for my research. I was hoping for contributions to that and not ridicule. My hope is dwindling.

All that is left is rising exasperation. We've already seen Crowlogic, a long time member, cancel her membership here because of the events in this thread that are born of exasperation. Perhaps, as you say, you have a thick skin, and don't mind that - but that doesn't mean the rest of us feel the same way. We don't want to wade through further exasperated remarks to discuss what has already been discussed.

Then I would suggest another thread if this one has you frustrated.

To sum up:
Your explanation is right - alternate explanations are not.

This was never about who is wrong or right. It was simply a forum for questions about my encounter. Just because I choose to believe what I do, does not make any of your opinions wrong. I am not that vain and you should not be either.

Further discussion will not change the above.
Stalemate.

Who was looking for change?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

To be fair, the question asked was :

Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

WGBH, answered the question ..

He hasn't asked for help, or to be saved from what others may think is a mistaken identification ..

If anyone doesn't like his answers, find another thread ..

Stop shooting the messenger...



Way to hang in there WGBH !

 

[desertgal]

NM

 

[desertgal]

He hasn't asked for help, or to be saved from what others may think is a mistaken identification ..

Not specifically, no. But here, he said:

Kit,

I totally agree with what you said. It is hard to wrap ones mind around this. I have no explanation for what I saw. But I did see it. Who says it lives in the swamp? Maybe it was just passing through? The area has tons of deer and other wildlife. I am not an outdoors man. I am just now learning about the woods. I do not know what the heck happened to me. But I hope to understand it someday.

He also said, in another post that I haven't located yet, that he is "looking for answers".

Sorry, I'm not intending to dog John, or shoot the messenger, or ridicule him. Many of us posted after reading posts such as the one above, which indicated, to me, that he was open to other explanations. I think several people felt like moths beating themselves against a light, because they offered alternate opinions after feeling, by the post above, that there would be give and take only to have their opinions shot down by John's insistence that it was Bigfoot. Hence some exasperation, and some snarky comments.

There's some mixed signals here. He just gave me a scornful (I thought) reply, insisting that he only came here to answer questions and never wanted alternate explanations-because I wondered why continue a thread when he's shooting everyone down. He implied that he is losing heart because of ridicule-a comment that neither acknowledges or shows appreciation for the fact that most of this thread were polite posts, offering alternate explanations that he seemed to invite, shot down, and now says he never wanted.

I'm not being critical of him, I was just thinking that if he was going to continue to shoot down all opinions, the thread should be closed to save folks some frustration, and a descent into snarkiness, from the mixed signals.

(Sorry, John, if you see duplicate points-I deleted my earlier post just as you quoted it.)

ETA: Never mind. If folks want to post, post away. And, no, John, I don't represent the JREF-sorry for the "we". I just hated to see what has been a predominantly polite thread evaporate from the frustration.

 

[WGBH]

Yes, I know you said that you were here to answer questions, but, as well, in the beginning, you stated that you were looking for answers. That may not have been directed at the members here, but, if so, it wasn't clear.

I did not start the thread. I was asked to come here from another thread to answer questions about my encounter. I apologize for not being clear.

Folks have offered several 'armchair diagnoses' throughout this thread-yes, you rejected them, but you did not make clear that you did not want them at all.

People can post what they want. Why is it bad if I decide not to subscribe to it? I am not forcing anyone to subscribe to my claims.

If you had said that, none of us would have bothered.

None of you? So you speak for the JREF?

See above. A simple "I am not looking for armchair diagnoses or alternate explanations of what I saw, so please don't post them" would have been helpful and saved 15+ pages of people doing just that.

I have said it many times in this thread.

As stated above, it wasn't.

And like I just said above, it is not up to me what people post here.

I'm not sure what you mean. You've stated this thread was for you to answer questions about your encounter.

Correct on both accounts


Excuse me? I have not intentionally ridiculed you. I have not called you a liar, or insane, or any other derogatory term. If I said something you took as ridicule, I apologize.

No need to apologize , I never meant for you to think it was you.

You keep inferring that there is a preponderance of ridicule in this thread, and, actually, there isn't. Many people here have been quite courteous-something the 'ridicule' comment above does not imply or acknowledge. And there may have been some exasperation after multiple rejactions of opinions that we were unaware you did not want in the first place.

Fair enough, but people have different reactions. As you saw with Crow

No, not frustrated, I was just baffled at the ultimate point, since you had said you were looking for answers, but had rejected everything we posted. But, of course, if you are not so politely showing me the door of "your" thread, I'll leave.

I am not showing you the door. You are the one who was unhappy with what was going on so I simply gave you an option.By all means stay


Sigh. But, you also say you are looking for contributions towards ideas for your research. Does that mean you want folks to volunteer that, or you are browsing to get ideas without requiring input?

The research information I am looking for has nothing to to with a thread about answering questions about a Bigfoot encounter and would be well off topic.



Of course not. No opinion is ever wrong. and I am not so vain to believe that. Perhaps wrong was the, well, wrong word to use. Course, again, f you had said 19 pages ago that we didn't need to post conclusions you didn't want, again, that would have been good to know.

For the 3rd time is not up to me to tell people what to post.

 

[desertyeti]

In answer to the original (12-31-06) question:

Just spotted the thread about the Patterson film, and looking over at it they're seems to be some people claiming to not only believe in bigfoot but claim to have seen one, not im not sure if this is sarcasm, but what the hell....anyone seen a real life sasquatch?

Yes.
Here:

 

[WGBH]

Not specifically, no. But here, he said:



He also said, in another post that I haven't located yet, that he is "looking for answers".

Sorry, I'm not intending to dog John, or shoot the messenger, or ridicule him. Many of us posted after reading posts such as the one above, which indicated, to me, that he was open to other explanations. I think several people felt like moths beating themselves against a light, because they offered alternate opinions after feeling welcome to do so by the post above, only to have their opinions shot down by John's insistence that it was Bigfoot. Hence some exasperation, and some snarky comments.

There's some mixed signals here. He just gave me a very scornful reply-insisting that he only came here to answer questions and never wanted alternate explanations-because I wondered why continue a thread when he's shooting everyone down. He implied that he is losing heart because of ridicule-a comment that neither acknowledges or shows appreciation for the fact that most of this thread were polite posts, offering alternate explanations that he seemed to invite, shot down, and now says he never wanted.

Well, if he didn't want alternate explanations, and just wanted us to post questions he could answer, then he should have simply said so in the beginning. I'm not being critical of him, I was just thinking that if he was going to continue to shoot down all opinions, the thread should be closed to save folks some frustration from the mixed signals.

I don't think you are here to dog me. I have read every question and opinion given to me. I have not shot them all down, only most of them. Yes most of the postings here have been polite, and why do I need to show appreciation for people being civil? Should I not expect that?

 

[kitakaze]

Kit what makes you think that the area is the same as 1982? There were not even any major roads except Route 17 in 1982 and then it was only one lane in each direction. When I was down there a few weeks ago the area looks totally different. It used to take 90 mins to get there in 1982, it now takes 45 mins. I am not saying you are wrong but just curious as to your reasoning.
The area has been significantly developed.

I don't think it was exactly the same. The cities I mentioned didn't appear after 1982 and the farmland was there. The development by man of the area has been going on for hundreds of years. It hardly less ridiculous to think a population of gargantuan wood apes was there in 1982 as it is now. Have sightings all disappeared?

Anyway, your report notes that your sighting was not in the swamp but outside of it on or near the river. I've put the area up on satellite for you. Where roughly would you say you saw the creature that we can look at?