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As much as the preceeding 20 pages! Round and round we go, where the typing stops, nobody knows....
 
corplinx said:
When I got bored in computer science and switched to business at a good school, I learned about marketing, finance, management, accounting, and other topics. However, I never had "tools" training. I should call that place up and tell them my degree was a scam.
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Yes, indeed. I see you noticed how NOBODY except those in the Amway cult EVER uses these "success" and "business building" "tools". If they're such great business training material, why not? Surely their lessons are applicable to other businesses except Amway?

Oh wait, they aren't. All the "tools" do is tell you to keep buying Amway stuff, to keep attending their conferences and functions, to "flush" friends who criticize Amway, etc.

A typical scam.
 
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Yes, nobody else uses audiobooks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audiobook It's "only" a $2 billion/year business!

Let's not forget books like "How to Win Friends and Influence People" were best sellers and written well before Amway started.

I don't know if you guys realize it or not, but you're talking pure BS.

How can you expect to shut down the tool scam when you can't get basic facts right?

Oh yeah, I forgot. This forum is just entertainment for you, you don't give a rip about millions of people getting tool scammed for several decades for 10's of billions of dollars. It's too much fun joking around while others get ripped off, isn't it?
 
Tex2 said:
Yes, nobody else uses audiobooks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audiobook It's "only" a $2 billion/year business!

Let's not forget books like "How to Win Friends and Influence People" were best sellers and written well before Amway started.

I don't know if you guys realize it or not, but you're talking pure BS.

How can you expect to shut down the tool scam when you can't get basic facts right?

Oh yeah, I forgot. This forum is just entertainment for you, you don't give a rip about millions of people getting tool scammed for several decades for 10's of billions of dollars. It's too much fun joking around while others get ripped off, isn't it?
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Well, you're ranting at strangers over the internet, which doesn't really help anyone either. At this moment millions are dying from disease, and war and genocide all over the world. there's always something more important anyone can be doing with their time.
 
I wasn't ranting, I was showing how "Skeptic" was ranting by getting his facts wrong. Nice try at misdirecting the conversation into another topic, though. Let's ignore the tool scam, because someone else is dying of disease/war, etc., as they have been dying for centuries. I know, let's not enforce ANY laws or unethical behavior. Let's free Bernie Madoff from jail! Let's free all criminals! Long live the tool scam!
 
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Tex2 said:
Yes, nobody else uses audiobooks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audiobook It's "only" a $2 billion/year business!

Let's not forget books like "How to Win Friends and Influence People" were best sellers and written well before Amway started.

I don't know if you guys realize it or not, but you're talking pure BS.

How can you expect to shut down the tool scam when you can't get basic facts right?

Oh yeah, I forgot. This forum is just entertainment for you, you don't give a rip about millions of people getting tool scammed for several decades for 10's of billions of dollars. It's too much fun joking around while others get ripped off, isn't it?
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"How to Win Friends and Influence People" is a tool? I can buy it at any local book store. You might find it on any corporate bookshelf along with a copy of "Seven Habits of Highly Effective People" and "Who Moved My Cheese?". All bought from a local bookstore.

They however are not normally part of a business education at a major university.

Are these commonplace books Amway tools? How much does Amway charge for them versus a Barnes and Noble?
 
Tex, seriously we aren't here to shut anyone down. This is a skeptical internet message board. This clearly falls under business scams that people should be skeptical about hence the discussion here. Nobody here is trying to start a movement to shut anything down other than you. Internet message board != Anti-Amway activists of earth, get it?
 
Goodbye. Enjoy your small band of posters, bitching back and forth.
 
The "self-help" and "business success" books are, for a good reason, not used in usual university business education. Unlike actual business education -- textbooks and other academic works dealing with things like money flow, marketing, supply and demand, etc. -- these "success" books give you no actual knowledge in economics or business.

Instead, they give you all kinds of psychological gimmicks: "think positive!" "Show interest in the other person!" (long enough to get him to trust you enough so you can make money from him, that is); "this is the first day of the rest of your life!" "Just DO it!", etc.

These are books for losers, for mice who would be supermen, for those who think there is a quick and easy gimmick that will allows success and riches to be achieved by those who don't have the knowledge, industry, capital, or ability to gain success and riches.

Of the rather pathetic crop that is the "business success", Amway's books and tapes are surely some of the worst. They don't even bother, all that much, with the usual "think positive!" meaningless nostrums the other "success" books give you. In effect their advice is to keep buying Amway no matter what.

Even people hooked on "self-help" and "success" books who aren't in Amway don't use Amway's "tools". Now what does THAT tell you about their worth?
 
21,000 members? How many of them are still here reading? Posting? On this thread? Less than 10? Probably.

Who do you think was buying "How to Win Friends and Influence People" before Amway was started? Answer: business people. I never claimed you didn't have to keep an eye on business related issues, but you ALSO need people/relationship skills for the Amway business. To deny this is idiotic.
 
You need people and relationship skills in any business. Apparently in Amway it's the only thing you need...
 
Tex2 said:
21,000 members? How many of them are still here reading? Posting? On this thread? Less than 10? Probably.

Who do you think was buying "How to Win Friends and Influence People" before Amway was started? Answer: business people. I never claimed you didn't have to keep an eye on business related issues, but you ALSO need people/relationship skills for the Amway business. To deny this is idiotic.
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I'm sorry, I thought you left?
 
Skeptic said:
These are books for losers, for mice who would be supermen, for those who think there is a quick and easy gimmick that will allows success and riches to be achieved by those who don't have the knowledge, industry, capital, or ability to gain success and riches.
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I have to respectfully disagree. The most successful CEOs got to where they are not only with a knowledge of business, marketing, and economics, but also with the ability to a)deal with people, and b)keep themselves motivated.

There are different ways to learn how to do both of these. For some, rock-climbing, sailing, or meditation might work. For others, books like "How To Win Friends" or "7 Habits" do the trick. In fact, I'd be surprised to find a head of a major company who doesn't have Dale Carnegie on his bookshelf.

Of course business acumen is needed. Just don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
 
NobbyNobbs said:
I have to respectfully disagree. The most successful CEOs got to where they are not only with a knowledge of business, marketing, and economics, but also with the ability to a)deal with people, and b)keep themselves motivated.
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Indeed so. But those people did not get their ability to deal with and motivate people from reading "how to succeed" books which sell you a bunch of pychological gimmick about how to do "act like winner" or the equivalent. Charisma and leadership aren't things you pick up for $4.95 at your local used book shop.

Alexander the Great was succesful due to his charisma as well as his military knowledge, but how silly would it be if people joined the military en masse thinking they can all make general by reading "How to think Like Alexander" paperbacks! And yet the odd little world of "success"-books motivated enterpreneurs (which I am NOT saying is the same, at all, as ALL motivated enterprenuers) is not much different.

In any case, we can agree to disagree on "Self-help" books in general -- I don't want to derail the thread. The point is, Amway's "tools" are total excrement even by the "self-help" world's notoriously undemanding standards: they don't even sell you psychological gimmicks for success, they just tell you to keep doing Amway.

No wonder nobody except Ambots use them.
 
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Tex2 said:
21,000 members? How many of them are still here reading? Posting? On this thread? Less than 10? Probably.
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No idea how many are reading the thread, but here are the people on the forum right now:

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