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Inside the Truther Mind

The only people you debunkers have ever convinced are those that were politically illiterate, watched "Loose Change", watched "Screw Loose Change" and went back to being politically illiterate. Credit goes to JJ for originally pointing that out.
 
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JohnG btw is absolutely right to complain that he feels treated like someone who irrationally tries to smear legitimate criticism, but it's hard to be fair in a forum where members like Sword of Truth, Bobert and others desperately try to associate every 9/11 skeptic with nazi scum like von Brunn. Just saying.
 
The only people you debunkers have ever convinced are those that were politically illiterate, watched "Loose Change", watched "Screw Loose Change" and went back to being politically illiterate. Credit goes to JJ for originally pointing that out.
I provided evidence that the opposite is true. No one has even come close to countering the evidence. All that you and JihadJane have offered is conjecture. Nothing more.
 
Let's call it a draw and start a new investigation. The extremely weak position of you debunkers is perfectly illustrated when you accuse us on the one hand of pretending to know exactly what happened on 9/11, but on the other hand you belittle us and demand from us to deliver an "alternative hypothesis" - which means you demand from us to speculate, because me and the vast majority of 9/11 Skeptics never claimed that we know what happened.


First things first: Thank you for the compliment, but I'm not really a "Debunker". That would be a little like calling myself a Doctor because I earned a First Aid merit badge in the Boy Scouts. I have a long way to go before I earn the title "Debunker".

Secondly, do you really want to revisit the "New Investigation" möbius strip/argument? I think it would go a little something like this...

T: I won't be convinced one way or another until we have a new investigation into 9/11.

D: Fine, have a new investigation. Investigate to your heart's content. Just don't ask me to foot the bill.

T: No, the government has to be involved. There is information that only the government has access to.

D: But if you are right and the government was involved in the 9/11 attacks, how can you trust the information they give you?

T: Uh...

D: Or let's say they weren't involved, but after 10 years, you complete your investigation and to your shock and disappointment, you discover that it really was Al Qaeda's responsbility, do you really think the rest of the Truth Movement who weren't personally involved in the investigation will say "Huh! What do you know? Turns out we were wrong all these years!" or do you think they'll (or at least a significant subset of them) just assume the investigators were threatened or bribed or fooled into saying what you did and bay for your blood while simultaneously demanding a new(er) investigation?

T: ...

D: T, are you there? Talk to me, man.

T: I won't be convinced one way or another until we have a new investigation into 9/11.

T&D: annnnnnd scene!

This, by the way, is a little obvious point that apparently, despite pointing out that in a criminal investigation the investigator doesn't have to provide a different suspect to rule the first suspected person as culprit out, cannot be understood even by the resident rocket scientists.


Yes, but before all that the police have to have enough evidence to place a suspect into custody. The irony that the Randi Forum (unlike most forums that have areas dedicated to 9/11 conspiracies) literally is peopled with actual Rocket Scientists is probably lost on you.


JohnG btw is absolutely right to complain that he feels treated like someone who irrationally tries to smear legitimate criticism, but it's hard to be fair in a forum where members like Sword of Truth, Bobert and others desperately try to associate every 9/11 skeptic with nazi scum like von Brunn. Just saying.


Say what now?? Are you sure you aren't thinking of someone else?
 
(edit: @UnlovedRebel) You've provided statistics I won't check now, but be aware that the book title "How to lie with statistics" isn't fear-mongering. Did you see "In their own words"? In case you didn't, take a look and think about if maybe you are on the wrong side of history:

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I AGREE
 
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You've provided statistics iIwon't check now, but be aware that the book title "How to lie with statistics" isn't fear-mongering. Did you see "In their own words"? In case you didn't, take a look and think about if maybe you are on the wrong side of history:

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I AGREE

Yeah I'm sure if the poll showed nearly all respondents with a PhD in a physical science said that they believed "inside jobby job" you'd be saying exactly the same thing. :rolleyes:
 
It's not a good idea to lie with statistics to someone who is trained in statistics; I'll unravel the deception in two seconds. Just like it's not a good idea to pull the usual creationist mumbo jumbo to a zoologist. It's not a good idea to show a civil engineer a YouTube video titled "Proof of CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!" 9/11 truth knows its target audience. It's you, Homeland Insurgency, JihadJane, ULTIMA1 et al. It's not for those with skill.
 
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Yes, but before all that the police have to have enough evidence to place a suspect into custody. The irony that the Randi Forum (unlike most forums that have areas dedicated to 9/11 conspiracies) literally is peopled with actual Rocket Scientists is probably lost on you.


I don't think that any important fact about this forum is lost to me. I have a technical background but also credits in social science, and the social science aspect here is much more interesting.
 
Yeah I'm sure if the poll showed nearly all respondents with a PhD in a physical science said that they believed "inside jobby job" you'd be saying exactly the same thing. :rolleyes:


Yeah, what it took you is five seconds to get to "inside jobby job". Quite embarrasing for someone who took you seriously (sorry but not me).
 
I don't think that any important fact about this forum is lost to me. I have a technical background but also credits in social science, and the social science aspect here is much more interesting.

Translation:

I like to troll and bait people to see how much rise I can get out of them.

(Credits in social science! Wow! Is that what passes for expertise in an Info Warrior?)
 
Yeah, what it took you is five seconds to get to "inside jobby job". Quite embarrasing for someone who took you seriously (sorry but not me).
In other words, like a good German, you're easily persuaded by a propaganda video and expect others to be too. Years of training in the subject matter is irrelevant. All you need is a Google video. Der ewige Jude was made for people just like you.
 
In other words, like a good German, you're easily persuaded by a propaganda video and expect others to be too. Years of training in the subject matter is irrelevant. All you need is a Google video. Der ewige Jude was made for people just like you.


Waaah. Don't even try it, kid. Unfortunately the mods here are smart enough to figure out me trying to insult you - but it isn't neccessary because you are a clueless kid and i'm just providing information.
 
At least i'm not working in Hong Kong for some venture capitalist. It bothers you much that i didn't betray my ideals like you did, doesn't it?

Assume much? Didn't they teach you not to leap to conclusions in History Of Western Thought 101? Why do you assume I'm in banking because I'm in Hong Kong. Evidence of the limiatations of your worldview, perhaps?

Does it bother you so much that some peole have actually done something, rather than sitting around posting unsupported opinions and snide pseudo superior nonsense on the web.

You don't wanna go there, CE. You do nothing other than posting on the internet and you know it. You sing songs about being on the barricades - I was actually on them.

Stay with your infowarrior fantasies.
 
Waaah. Don't even try it, kid. Unfortunately the mods here are smart enough to figure out me trying to insult you - but it isn't neccessary because you are a clueless kid and i'm just providing information.

I'm not a "clueless kid". I've seen all the Internet videos trying so desperately to win my loyalties. If you're easily persuaded by them, doesn't mean everyone else is. I already showed WHO is taken in by those videos. You have not provided one shred of evidence to counter. All you've done is use the buzz words of an anti-semitic counterculture (i.e. "official story").
 
You sing songs about being on the barricades - I was actually on them.


Maybe, And then you said "what the heck i'm doing here? Structural analysis my ass. Personal analysis my ass. I stop bothering myself with this kind of stuff. World is damned anyway, so why caring? I tried but nothing happened. I'll play along." Wasn't it so, foolmewunz?
 
You are born into a sick society were a 9/11 inside job is absolutely possible - in fact observers around the globe don't even raise an eyebrow about it.
My country has had a freedom of the press since 1791. Your country had a "ministry of propoganda" all the way up to 1945 and is still affected by nationalistic ideas and "racial supremecy".
 

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