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Richard Gage Q&A

Minadin said:
That's not a bad train of thought, there - Perhaps we could word a question thusly:

If the sprinklers were broken by the plane impacts, how would that have effected the overall performance of the fire supression system in WTC 1 and 2?

(No one has ever died from a fire in a building with a working sprinkler system, and it typically adds about 1 hour to the rating of structural elements)
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You don't even have to put fire-protection on steel members if a building is no more than 3 stories and has sprinklers.
 
T.A.M. said:
ask him what he thinks should have happened to the top section of the WTCs if they came down without explosives, and then ask him to quickly explain the physics to you. Be prepared for little in the way of productive response. Expect a topic shift.

TAM:D
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This is a very good strategy. It will be interesting to see what route he takes, be it the upper block sliding off, bouncing off (ala Heiwa), or self-arresting.
 
Well, I consider sprinklers to be part of the overall fire protection system, but you're correct of course, because at that height the building is only required to have a 1 hour rating on the steel even without sprinklers, if I recall correctly. I don't have my code book handy.

Architecturally, as opposed to structurally, we're usually more involved with the fire protection systems in how they interact with the tenant seperations, corridors, exits, fire safing between floors, smoke barriers, etc. So I know, for instance, that instead of putting expensive fire rated safety glass in my tenant's HMF side-lights at his office entrance, I can put an inexpensive sprinkler head right above that glass and still get my 1-hour rating.
 
I would ask him this:

"Steven Jones (in his interview with Les Robertson[1]) & others have said explicitly that the beams on each floor must have been compromised in order for the towers to fall as fast as they did. If one were to sever just 50% of the columns on each floor, then 75% of all the columns in the rubble should have been 1-story long (severed), and 25% should have been 3-stories long (unsevered).

Detailed, high resolution photos show that there are ZERO% 1-story long severed beams in the rubble pile. (Photos that you can examine today, so this evidence has not been destroyed.[2])

Allowing you ANY METHOD whatsoever to sever the columns of the WTC 1&2 towers, where did the ~75% severed columns go? Did they magically reassemble themselves?

Would you not have to agree that, without evidence of 50-90% severed 1-story columns in the rubble pile, ALL demolition theories are dead?"

Good luck.

tom


[1] From: www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/Roberts_AnnotatedJones-RobertsonTranscript.pdf
Journal of 911 studies, April 2007

Page 23
ROBERTSON: We’re not—are we really saying every floor, every other, every third floor would have had to have had some kind of explosives in it? That’s absolute nonsense.

JONES: That would be required, to move the mass out of the way, yes, in order for the upper floors to proceed so rapidly to the ground.

ROBERTSON: So the premise that you’re putting forward on the table here I gather, Steven, is that, many, many floors of the building had in them explosives designed to bring down the building.

JONES: Completely and rapidly.

Podcast: http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/StevenJones_LeslieRobertson_20061026.mp3

[2] http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/groundzero.html
 
Minadin said:
That's not a bad train of thought, there - Perhaps we could word a question thusly:

If the sprinklers were broken by the plane impacts, how would that have effected the overall performance of the fire supression system in WTC 1 and 2?

(No one has ever died from a fire in a building with a working sprinkler system, and it typically adds about 1 hour to the rating of structural elements)
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Sounds fair, any question along those lines would be satisfactory since his group makes no mention of these differences at all in their lectures. Wasn't aware of the figures you brought up though concerning the sprinklers.
 
Newtons Bit said:
This is a very good strategy. It will be interesting to see what route he takes, be it the upper block sliding off, bouncing off (ala Heiwa), or self-arresting.
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Yup, this is what came to mind for me. You might remark that his organization (and by inference, he himself) has recently honored Heiwa, also known as Mr. Bjorkman, and ask him how many of these statements he supports.

Or have even more fun with him and ask, out of his x00 members, how many believe in explosives, how many in thermite, how many in nukes, how many believe there were no planes, etc... and then ask which group he thinks is right, and which he thinks are utterly wrong.
 
In his full 2 hour web site presentation Gage claims: " Like many other architects though, I've designed numerous fireproofed steel framed buildings in my career including these 3 and 10 million dollar gymnasiums." (Here he shows pictures of steel framed buildings with complex moment connections).

"I'm now working on a 400 million dollar project in Nevada ... with over 1200 tons of steel framing altogether."

Gage is no structural engineer, that designed these steel buildings and stamped the drawings. I remember reading his CV online last year.

"I've designed numerous fireproofed steel buildings" - NO HE DIDN'T, the structural engineers designed the structures, of which he is not one.

" I'm now working on" could mean anything except the mechanical, electrical, structural engineering. He was an employee of a large architectural firm, not a partner and gloms onto any underserving credit, and from his CV, heavy on Construction Administration - the paperwork required during construction after all the designing has been done. He was a minor architect, doing grunt CA and CAD work, and fired along with 18 others from his company. The vital architects remained.

This has always chafed me, that he uses words like "I've designed" and "I'm now working on" along with pictures of steel structures to deceive the unknowing lay audience into believing he structurally designed and stamped the drawings of the steel framing they see in his pictures.

He did not "design numerous fireproofed steel buildings" he shows in his pictures and his deceived audience should know this.
 
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If the debunker movement is so popular why isnt there a large group attending these lectures? Is it because they can only sit at a computer to do their criticizing(one exception;Gravy)?
 
BasqueArch said:
In his full 2 hour web site presentation Gage claims: " Like many other architects though, I've designed numerous fireproofed steel framed buildings in my career including these 3 and 10 million dollar gymnasiums." (Here he shows pictures of steel framed buildings with complex moment connections).

"I'm now working on a 400 million dollar project in Nevada ... with over 1200 tons of steel framing altogether."

Gage is no structural engineer, that designed these steel buildings and stamped the drawings. I remember reading his CV online last year.

"I've designed numerous fireproofed steel buildings" - NO HE DIDN'T, the structural engineers designed the structures, of which he is not one.

" I'm now working on" could mean anything except the mechanical, electrical, structural engineering. He was an employee of a large architectural firm, not a partner and gloms onto any underserving credit, and from his CV heavy on Construction Administration - the paperwork required during construction after all the designing has been done. He was a minor architect, doing grunt CAD work, and fired along with 18 others from his company. The vital architects remained.

This has always chafed me, that he uses words like "I've designed" and "I'm now working on" along with pictures of steel structures to deceive the unknowing lay audience into believing he structurally designed and stamped the drawings of the steel framing they see in his pictures.

He did not "design numerous fireproofed steel buildings" he shows in his pictures and his audience should know this.
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He's intentionally misleading his readers about his qualifications. Which is in fact an offense that can get ones architecture license revoked. Not to mention some very stern words from boards of licensure.
 
Tweeter said:
If the debunker movement is so popular why isnt there a large group attending these lectures? Is it because they can only sit at a computer to do their criticizing(one exception;Gravy)?
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Can the NWO pay for my NYC-west coast travel?

I'd go if Gage came to NYC but in his 100 speeches, he apparently refused to go to where all the eyewitnesses and first responders and families of victims live. I think with my connections, I could get a good turnout of firemen who were at WTC on 9/11.

Is he charging admission?

Will he let me video the proceedings?
 
So youre worried about the cost. Saving the world from truthers aint cheap.lol.
I wonder if your reasons for not going public are similar to those that question the os?
 
Tweeter said:
If the debunker movement is so popular why isnt there a large group attending these lectures? Is it because they can only sit at a computer to do their criticizing(one exception;Gravy)?
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Jobs, lives, better things to do... I mean it's not like we believe the government is a best covering up, at worst responsible for the murder of 3,000+ of it's citizens.
 
Redtail said:
Jobs, lives, better things to do... I mean it's not like we believe the government is a best covering up, at worst responsible for the murder of 3,000+ of it's citizens.
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Yeah i know its hard to save the world when you got bills and mouths to feed. Could it be that people who question the OS have those same problems, knowing thats its probably a lost cause?
 
Tweeter said:
Yeah i know its hard to save the world when you got bills and mouths to feed. Could it be that people who question the OS have those same problems, knowing thats its probably a lost cause?
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Except that the 'debunkers' aren't trying to save the world. They're just trying to stop the spread of bad information and straight out lies.

Its the troother terrorists who are claiming a great vast conspiracy that the government killed 3000+ people... Why aren't YOU going to the media with it? TV stations, Radio, newspapers. There's fame in it for you.

Stand up for what you believe in! This is just a website with anonymous people on the internet. If you think you have the facts, and the truth, then be a hero and step up with your information!
 
R.Mackey said:
Yup, this is what came to mind for me. You might remark that his organization (and by inference, he himself) has recently honored Heiwa, also known as Mr. Bjorkman, and ask him how many of these statements he supports.

Or have even more fun with him and ask, out of his x00 members, how many believe in explosives, how many in thermite, how many in nukes, how many believe there were no planes, etc... and then ask which group he thinks is right, and which he thinks are utterly wrong.
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I would suggest to keep questions more to the points:

1. Rapid onset of “collapse” - how, why? Can gravity alone do it?

2. Sounds of explosions at ground floor - a full second prior to collapse. Gravity?

3. Symmetrical “collapse” – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration. Gravity?

4. Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed mostly in its own footprint. Gravity?

5. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds. Gravity?

6. Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly-qualified witnesses. Gravity?

7. Chemical signature of Thermite (high tech incendiary) found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples by physics professor Steven Jones, PhD. What has gravity to do with it?

8. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples. Ditto - does gravity melt material?

9. Expert corroboration from top European Controlled Demolition professionals. Why does NIST ignore them?

10. Fore-knowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY.

Etc, etc.

If you ask politely and to the point, Richard will no doubt answer.
 
"A characteristic feature of controlled demolition is the clearly audible explosions heard in any video/audio recording of those collapses. Instead of relying on accounts of explosions, why haven't you played any of the numerous videos of the WTC buildings collapsing with its original audio intact?"
 
Tweeter said:
Yeah i know its hard to save the world when you got bills and mouths to feed. Could it be that people who question the OS have those same problems, knowing thats its probably a lost cause?
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No. As mentioned before we aren't trying to save the world. I can't speak for everyone but for most of us this is little more than a hobby with some minor fringe benefits. For example, I use some of the arguments here as examples for my speech classes when I teach. (How to and not to construct an arguement. That's why I even respond to the trolls because they are a gold mine for logical fallacies.) Truthers are the ones with a windmill to knock down and I question how serious they are about said "milla-cide".

See, when most people see what they believe to be an injustice they tend to do more than a letter writing campaign (which is pretty much what all of the 9/11 sites and vids are). Don't get me wrong, the letter writing is a part of it but it's usually the first part. It tends to be followed by mass marches, mass demonstrations, sit ins, stand ins, hell all kinds of civil disobedience.

Not doing the above because it may be "a lost cause" are you serious?
The Silent Sentinals, The Civil Rights Movement, Anti War Movements Nam and now, Amimal rights groups, nature groups are a few i can think of off the top of my head (if I leave out countries fighting for their independance.)
All of these people put themselves in harms way. Take verbal, physical, financial, abuse. Camp in front of government institutions and schools in all kinds of weather. Go to jail. All for seeing an injustice corrected.

Hell I live at and work part time at a cat sanctuary and I don't even like cats that much! As a matter of fact, out of the 6 people who live here, only 1 (my wife) loves cats. The rest of us do it because the women that they love, also love cats and out of those 5 only my wife is still living. Also the other 4 guys are retired and could be living out their retirement dreams but they are here because they cared about someone who cared about cats.

Now then, with catching, spaying/nutering, and sheltering about 7,000 cats since this started about 6 years ago, and... Adopting out about 5,000 of afore mentioned cats, and... setting up a low cost, high volume spay & nuter clinic that should open in the middle of this July, these 4 men (who don't like cats that much mind you) with a little help from my wife and I (and I'm not a big cat fan either) have done more for CATS!!! than the entire truth movement has done for the 3000+ PEOPLE!!! that they belive were murdered with some kind of help from the US govenment.

Tell you what, when the truth movement organizes and carries out some kind of mass protest (Not join another protest, I mean from top to bottom set up and done by the truth movement.) that has more than 3,000 people (1,000 less than the average attendance at my old highschool's football games) I'll take your "movement" seriously. K?
 
BasqueArch said:
In his full 2 hour web site presentation Gage claims: " Like many other architects though, I've designed numerous fireproofed steel framed buildings in my career including these 3 and 10 million dollar gymnasiums." (Here he shows pictures of steel framed buildings with complex moment connections).

"I'm now working on a 400 million dollar project in Nevada ... with over 1200 tons of steel framing altogether."

Gage is no structural engineer, that designed these steel buildings and stamped the drawings. I remember reading his CV online last year.

"I've designed numerous fireproofed steel buildings" - NO HE DIDN'T, the structural engineers designed the structures, of which he is not one.

" I'm now working on" could mean anything except the mechanical, electrical, structural engineering. He was an employee of a large architectural firm, not a partner and gloms onto any underserving credit, and from his CV, heavy on Construction Administration - the paperwork required during construction after all the designing has been done. He was a minor architect, doing grunt CA and CAD work, and fired along with 18 others from his company. The vital architects remained.

This has always chafed me, that he uses words like "I've designed" and "I'm now working on" along with pictures of steel structures to deceive the unknowing lay audience into believing he structurally designed and stamped the drawings of the steel framing they see in his pictures.

He did not "design numerous fireproofed steel buildings" he shows in his pictures and his deceived audience should know this.
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Definitely call Gage on this if he uses present-tense phrases such as "I'm now working on" or implies he's currently active as a working architect. On his Coast to Coast AM snoozefest, Gage said that he was laid off from his firm and he now works full time for ae911truth. So either he was lying then, or he lies when he speaks as if he's a working architect to enhance his own credibility as he delivers his appeal to authority.
 
Dear Sir,I have a question! In my career as a craftsman,I have a time or two worked high Iron, and at no time did we ever use thermite.Where did the thermite come from.It is not a by product of burning diesel. If there was thermite present and it was not there before The crash.Then it had to be on the plane!Thank You.
 
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