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Opera: we will reinvent the Web

six7s said:
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A rather curious comment in the source code:
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We start our little story with the invention of the modern day computer.
Over the years, the computers grew in numbers, and the next natural step in the evolution was to connect them together. To share things.
But as these little networks grew, some computers gained more power than the rest and called themselves servers ...​
 
AgeGap said:
Re: http://www.opera.com/freedom/

If it is to do with cloud computing maybe you are getting some online storage.
There is a browser called Flock 2.5 that "integrates social networking and media services." It is based on Firefox.

Thanks ddt. My paranoia does not seem out of place. Here anyway.

I have found an old magazine and it has an article about cloud computing. So the cloud is the internet?

"Dynamically scaleable." Big words are excluding me from the internet.:(
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For some reason I don't think Opera will be releasing a FireFox based browser "solution"...

It could be an expansion of Opera Link - which I have found invaluable, to be able to have the same browser, links, and so on no matter what computer I sat in front of has been a godsend.
 
Darat said:
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We start our little story with the invention of the modern day computer.
Over the years, the computers grew in numbers, and the next natural step in the evolution was to connect them together. To share things.
But as these little networks grew, some computers gained more power than the rest and called themselves servers ...​
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Ha ha...

God I hope the hype is worth it!
 
I have never, ever found that a company's pre-launch hype is not fulfilled when the product is released.

Excuse me a moment, there is someone at the door offering to sell me the Eiffel Tower at a bargain price and I can't miss out on such an opportunity!
 
I'd be ecstatic if Opera Mobile added a Home/End function so I can jump to the top or bottom of the page when I'm browsing the forums on my phone.
 
Darat said:
six7s said:
A rather curious comment in the source code:
<!-- We start our little story with the invention of the modern day computer. Over the years, the computers grew in numbers, and the next natural step in the evolution was ... -->​
Click to expand...
Now reads:

We start our little story with the invention of the modern day computer.
Over the years, the computers grew in numbers, and the next natural step in the evolution was to connect them together. To share things.
But as these little networks grew, some computers gained more power than the rest and called themselves servers ...​
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It won't be over until the Norwegians stop anthropomorphising, methinks
 
You should read the Legal section in the wikipedia article on cloud computing. They relate an instance where the FBI raided a data center and seized a particular equipment rack that contained the data for a company they were targeting along with several other companies they weren't. The non-targeted companies were basically shut down, despite the fact that they hadn't done a blessed thing wrong. The FBI "generously" offered to copy their data onto tapes and then let them figure out how to get back up and running.

This strikes me as the data processing equivalent of Just-In-Time manufacturing, where you were supposed to have such a wonderful relationship with your suppliers that you didn't have to keep an inventory of materials, as your suppliers could always deliver what you needed, exactly when you needed it. As one industrial specialist described it, "yeah, you've just put the ENTIRE future of your company in the hands of some outside organization that may or may not give a damn, depending on whoever's offering the most cash for their products."

Smart move, my rosy red hiney. Thank you, I'll keep my data and apps on a machine that I physically can secure. Just look at how well the industry manages to secure important things like personal information and credit card numbers, and you'll see why.

Beanbag
 
Beanbag said:
You should read the Legal section in the wikipedia article on cloud computing. They relate an instance where the FBI raided a data center and seized a particular equipment rack that contained the data for a company they were targeting along with several other companies they weren't. The non-targeted companies were basically shut down, despite the fact that they hadn't done a blessed thing wrong. The FBI "generously" offered to copy their data onto tapes and then let them figure out how to get back up and running.

This strikes me as the data processing equivalent of Just-In-Time manufacturing, where you were supposed to have such a wonderful relationship with your suppliers that you didn't have to keep an inventory of materials, as your suppliers could always deliver what you needed, exactly when you needed it. As one industrial specialist described it, "yeah, you've just put the ENTIRE future of your company in the hands of some outside organization that may or may not give a damn, depending on whoever's offering the most cash for their products."

Smart move, my rosy red hiney. Thank you, I'll keep my data and apps on a machine that I physically can secure. Just look at how well the industry manages to secure important things like personal information and credit card numbers, and you'll see why.

Beanbag
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There's a number of things I agree with, and some points I'd like to make using my company as an example.

"Cloud computing" is a buzz-word. A such there are many interpretations of what it means to any given company. The scenario you describe is a nightmare situation based on one idea of cloud computing. Let's take another example.

My company runs 5 data centers world wide. We move to a cloud computing model where we have clusters of virtual machines running on large powerful servers and use load balancing and easy-to-spin-up center registry for more capacity when needed. Need more? spin up a few more VM's and throw them out into the clusters, then register them with the load balancers. Need less and have other needs to use those resources? pull a few down. Use Wide-IP balancing across several datacenters (which is old hat news, but invaluable to "cloud computing" nonetheless) and you can now lose an entire datacenter and still maintain web presence. This is why I say it's been going on for years. Depending on the definition of cloud computing, its already in place. One definition means documents and services are handled ala Google style, the other simply means bulletproofing your web platforms with edge-caching and multiple datacenters.

ETA (to clarify):

The situation you describe would happen if the company hosting were running in colocations. If they run their own data center it would be different. Also, company-sensitive info by practice should stay within your company's infrastructure. The decision to move services and information to colocations or multiple-host servers contracted by another company is not one to take lightly, but does not rule out "cloud computing" as a general term if not used in that way.
 
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I agree that the details of the implementation are significant. I'm sure one of the LAST things on the vendor's and client's mind was the possibility that the actual shared hardware would be seized.

The general pitch has been that all a person needs is a machine with just enough hardware and horsepower to log onto the internet, while the "real" storage and processing would be on the web.

Your company obviously has the resources to set up a secure, in-house, well-controlled distributed data center. That gives you a degree of control a small business or individual doesn't have.

Beanbag
 
arthwollipot said:
Isn't that just thin clients all over again?

I remember how well it did last time.
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Depends. It *can* mean that. In my example it is distributed computing intended to create bulletproof web platforms (for example, we handle website shopping carts.) Distributed computing doesn't have to mean the OS/Office/groupware stuff, but many people like to think of it that way.

I am against reinventing thin clients, myself. but I am all for bulletproofing your datacenters, or employing such techniques for your web apps (ie, shopping carts, clicktracking etc.)
 
six7s said:
Yes... I know... I write both client-side and server-side apps...

What I don't know is what arthwollipot means by "last time"
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err...my bad.


Perhaps he means "last week when the process was rejected for our company due to special needs?"

I think the underlying sentiment is that there are some things that shouldn't be distributed computing, and that I agree with. Then again...what do I know.
 
Ducky said:
err...my bad
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No worries... sin, first, stone, caste, etc ;)

Ducky said:
I think the underlying sentiment is that there are some things that shouldn't be distributed computing, and that I agree with.
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Me too, for sensitive data in businesses...

But for a significant proportion of my 'private' data, HTTP and FTP (not even httpS or SSH) are ideal
 
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