To prove a point.
Yes when evacuating them.
When talking to Silverstein the fire commander could have only meant the building because the firemen were ALREADY OUT OF THE BUILDING.
So Silverstein "pulled" his buildings so he could go broke rebuilding them?
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To prove a point.
Yes when evacuating them.
When talking to Silverstein the fire commander could have only meant the building because the firemen were ALREADY OUT OF THE BUILDING.
Do you know the entire content of the conversation? He could just as easily have told Silverstein about his decision to pull everyone out and let the building collapse, and that's what Silverstein repeated in the interview.
And for the tenth time, you are avoiding the question about motive.
Are you saying Silverstein is lying?
And for the hundreth time I have no idea about motive, aks the people involved.
About what?
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BenBurch
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WE ALL NEED TO DO THAT.
This thread was not about firefighting. It was about how Silverstein lost money on this terrorist attack, and how that would have been really STUPID if he were like inside the inside jobby-job.
However, if people choose NOT to ignore the Trolling at this time, alert on the off-topic nature of the off-topic posts and get the thread split.
Thanks!
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I'll join in this refrain.
I would have put him on ignore before now, but since he's only a pretend NSA analyst, I thought pretending to put him on ignore would suffice.
Shalamar
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No. Those are not facts. Those are your own opinions that you faithfully cling to.
Please provide evidence that 'Pull it' means to bring a building down in demolition parlance.
Shalamar
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Ahh.. This is just proof that not only is Ultima1 a (pretend) NSA agent, He's also one of the Fire chiefs!
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Now that I have finally stopped laughing at the stupidity of U1's statements, I can respond. You have ZERO evidence that the firemen were out of the building when the call was made. It could have been made right after the evacuation was ordered. You have no timeline other than the one you made up. There is no common sense in anything you have posted. Just a bunch of immature speculation as to the time without a shred of evidence to back it. You present facts that completely contradict what you are saying. 3:30 in the afternoon is not early in the day when compared with the collapse time. I challenged you with providing the phone records to back what you are saying and all you come back with is your phony "common sense."
You were caught lying. You proved, as usual, only that you have no idea of what you're talking about. It is impossible to "bring down" a massive skyscraper without weeks of preparation. Nobody "brought down" WTC 7.
Please stop.
Are you totally mad or are you simply unable to read? It is not possible to read a clear statement and garble its meaning beyond recognition unless something is seriously wrong somewhere.
Here are Hayden's words from the interview YOU have linked to:
Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7� did you have to get all of those people out?
Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn�t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn�t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn�t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o�clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then. At that point in time, it seemed like a somewhat smaller event, but under any normal circumstances, that�s a major event, a 47-story building collapsing. It seemed like a firecracker after the other ones came down, but I mean that�s a big building, and when it came down, it was quite an event. But having gone through the other two, it didn�t seem so bad. But that�s what we were concerned about. We had said to the guys, we lost as many as 300 guys. We didn�t want to lose any more people that day. And when those numbers start to set in among everybody� My feeling early on was we weren�t going to find any survivors. You either made it out or you didn�t make it out. It was a cataclysmic event.
But, YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN, OR IF, THE CALL TO SILVERSTEIN WAS MADE!
How in the name of reason and sanity can you keep comparing the time of the evacuation to the time of the call when you know ONLY ONE OF THEM???
Yes, the facts do speak for themselves. NOBODY connected with the FDNY ever said anything about bringing down WTC 7.
How can you continue this insanity?
But "pulling" has nothing to do with explosives? Why, O why, do you persist in encouraging his dishonest use of the term?
How many posts of mine address this point? Are you mad? Can you read?
You DON'T KNOW WHEN, OR IF, THE CALL TO SILVERSTEIN WAS MADE!
Nigro gave the order to pull at approximately 2 PM. According to Hayden, the operation was finished by 3:30. You DON'T KNOW if someone called Silverstein between 2 and 3:30.
The fact that your illness prevents you from processing is that "pulling" relates to attaching cables. The term has nothing to do with explosives. It is IMPOSSIBLE to "pull" a 47-story building. Firefighters talk about "pulling" men from a dangerous environment.
NOBODY talked about "pulling" a skyscraper. It is IMPOSSIBLE.
The fire chiefs did not lie. Nobody thinks they did. You are the liar.
BenBurch
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You *can* "pull down" a barn, for example. But if it is ever done to buildings above 3 stories, I am unaware of it.
The building was not "brought down." NOBODY in the FDNY ever said anything about "bringing down" the building. IT COLLAPSED!!!! Hayden says CLEARLY that the men were pulled by 3:30 PM. The building COLLAPSED at 5 PM.
Stop the insanity!