Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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LTC8K6 said:
Apparently one of the biggest American Black Bears ever recorded was a male from North Carolina that weighed 400 kilograms...
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Interesting fact. I would not have thought that. Most of the black bears I have seen in VA and NC have been small. Now the ones in PA were huge and more prevalent.
 
Or WGBH could have seen a Bigfoot. He either saw it or he did not see it. Lets focus on both explanations.
 
makaya325 said:
Or WGBH could have seen a Bigfoot. He either saw it or he did not see it. Lets focus on both explanations.
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Suggesting that he may have seen a bear IS focusing on the explanation that he did not see a Bigfoot.
 
We've also addressed the possibility that he did see a bigfoot by asking such pertinent questions as how a breeding population of 9'x5' animals could go undetected, by biologists and/or cameras, in a human-frequented, human-inhabited area, while seeking to fulfill a 9000+ calorie-a-day nutritive requirement, and failing to leave behind any remains of either stool or its massive bones. If it is a real animal, these questions must be logically addressed.
 
Vortigern99 said:
We've also addressed the possibility that he did see a bigfoot by asking such pertinent questions as how a breeding population of 9'x5' animals could go undetected, by biologists and/or cameras, in a human-frequented, human-inhabited area, while seeking to fulfill a 9000+ calorie-a-day nutritive requirement, and failing to leave behind any remains of either stool or its massive bones. If it is a real animal, these questions must be logically addressed.
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While i still dont believe bigfoot is even real, I do not think you can consider the temperate rainforests of the PNW "human frequented". It is far from it. some areas Upstate NY are not very frequented,
 
Vortigern99 said:
We've also addressed the possibility that he did see a bigfoot by asking such pertinent questions as how a breeding population of 9'x5' animals could go undetected, by biologists and/or cameras, in a human-frequented, human-inhabited area, while seeking to fulfill a 9000+ calorie-a-day nutritive requirement, and failing to leave behind any remains of either stool or its massive bones. If it is a real animal, these questions must be logically addressed.
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The simple answer to that question is that the animals are rare and try not to frequent areas inhabited by humans. I also would doubt that they are all 9x5 in stature.

One problem is that there have been no serious scientific studies into this phenomenon done by scientists, Biologists, etc with the resources and money to do the study correctly. This study could take months or years. Right now it is just a bunch of "enthusiasts" as some like to call us, who spend our free time and weekends out looking. We are out there trying and all we ever receive is criticism. So go ahead Scientists and skeptics, get out there and prove me wrong. I can take it.
 
The burden of proof is on the claimant, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

The contention that no scientists are involved in the search for BF evidence is incorrect. Krantz (dec.) and Meldrum are two that spring most readily to mind; both have written several papers and books on various BF-related topics. And there is still not a shred of evidence for BF that could not be easily hoaxed or imaginatively invented. This stands in direct opposition to every other species of animal in North America. What accounts for this discrepancy?

Whether the area under discussion is human-frequented or not, it is studied by biologists, inc. botanists and zoologists, and I expect (though I do not know this for a fact) by archeologists and paleontologists, just as with nearly every other region of the earth. And yet no hair, stool, DNA, bones or fossilized remains attributable to a massive bipedal hominid have been discovered. Again, what accounts for this astonishing lack of concrete evidence?
 
I can't help but be reminded of this:

Could the woods be full of unknown monsters, the rivers full of unknown monsters? Zoologists don't think so; they've been there repeatedly to look, and it's their profession to find and study new animals. To the pseudoscientist, the absence of evidence for some monster is itself a kind of “proof” the monster exists!
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WGBH said:
The simple answer to that question is that the animals are rare and try not to frequent areas inhabited by humans. I also would doubt that they are all 9x5 in stature.
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Then how do you explain your sighting?

I am willing to wager that the area you were in, is/was frequented by humans...in this case hunters. The fact that you were there in an elevated stand proves the point.

BF, according to the sighting reports, exists coast to coast, which includes areras frequented by humans.
 
WGBH said:
The simple answer to that question is that the animals are rare and try not to frequent areas inhabited by humans. I also would doubt that they are all 9x5 in stature.

One problem is that there have been no serious scientific studies into this phenomenon done by scientists, Biologists, etc with the resources and money to do the study correctly. This study could take months or years. Right now it is just a bunch of "enthusiasts" as some like to call us, who spend our free time and weekends out looking. We are out there trying and all we ever receive is criticism. So go ahead Scientists and skeptics, get out there and prove me wrong. I can take it.
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Rare as a Unicorn. They are rare because they don't exist.

There are no serious scientific studies because you do not do serious scientific studies on fantasy creatures.

Prove you wrong? There are no Bigfoot creatures; you will never prove me wrong.

Having a club and going out and looking for a fictional creature is fun stuff and I have heard sometimes Bigfoot comes and drinks all the beer while most of the club are out looking. But next time that happens just weigh the members again to see where the beer went. Did you take the beer too?
 
Vortigern99 said:
The burden of proof is on the claimant, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

So predictable a statement and a cop out.

The contention that no scientists are involved in the search for BF evidence is incorrect. Krantz (dec.) and Meldrum are two that spring most readily to mind; both have written several papers and books on various BF-related topics.

Meldrum rarely does FIELD RESEARCH. Krantz has passed on. Bindernagel is getting up there in age and after having a conversation with him, I think he sees Bigfoot behind every tree. Besides, all of these men are attacked on this forum as being incompetent. Now you want to use them as examples of scientists studying the phenomenon? I am talking about independent wild life biologists and scientists.

And there is still not a shred of evidence for BF that could not be easily hoaxed or imaginatively invented. This stands in direct opposition to every other species of animal in North America. What accounts for this discrepancy?

What stands for this discrepancy is that we think we know everything and we do not. As proven by the discovery of new species daily.

Whether the area under discussion is human-frequented or not, it is studied by biologists, inc. botanists and zoologists, and I expect (though I do not know this for a fact) by archeologists and paleontologists, just as with nearly every other region of the earth. And yet no hair, stool, DNA, bones or fossilized remains attributable to a massive bipedal hominid have been discovered. Again, what accounts for this astonishing lack of concrete evidence?
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Ever think that maybe they have seen something and just do not want to come forward with it? If you had a grant to study ferns in the PNW, would you want to ruin that by saying you saw a Bigfoot?
 
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clayflingythingy said:
Then how do you explain your sighting?

I am willing to wager that the area you were in, is/was frequented by humans...in this case hunters. The fact that you were there in an elevated stand proves the point.

BF, according to the sighting reports, exists coast to coast, which includes areras frequented by humans.
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I am willing to wager you are WRONG. It was private property. Not frequented by humans except during hunting season by its owners. Even the cabins were a good distance from where my sighting was. The cabins did not even have electricity.
 
WGBH,

Not frequented by humans except during hunting season. Ok, fair enuff. However, how often did the owners hunt this land?

Here in Ky in the present day you have spring turkey/squirrel season, small game seasons from late summer thru Feb. Deer season starts in late summer for archery, then you have black powder season, and then the modern gun hunt. So it is possible to have land owned "only for hunting" with a human presence for about 8 months out of the year by avid hunters. And I know some avid hunters who hunt almost every weekend.

How many weeks and weekends were the owners, guests, friends actually at this property?

What about neighboring land owners? How often were they out and about on their property.

BTW, your answer to Vort were the same old tired footer arguments that are repeated over and over by bleevers.
 
Take it easy people. You can list your explanations for WGBH's sighting, but you will never know what he saw. Only WGBH, and i mean WGBH ONLY, knows what he/she saw that day. Due to a lack of evidence, Trying to explain away His sighting is like beating a dead horse.
 
makaya325 said:
Take it easy people. You can list your explanations for WGBH's sighting, but you will never know what he saw. Only WGBH, and i mean WGBH ONLY, knows what he/she saw that day. Due to a lack of evidence, Trying to explain away His sighting is like beating a dead horse.
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He saw Bigfoot. His delusion will not materialize a Bigfoot for the rest of us to find.
 
beachnut said:
He saw Bigfoot. His delusion will not materialize a Bigfoot for the rest of us to find.
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Excuse me? Why are you saying that WGHB has a delusion? The man posted his personal sighting, and was given some alternative explanations for it. He did not agree with those explanations, so nothing will change his mind.

No matter how unlikely, It is very possible that he saw something that lives undetected in a crowded country, defying the laws of nature, yet is very much alive. Do i think WGHB saw a bigfoot? Not likely. Might he have seen it though? Possibly.
 
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beachnut said:
He saw Bigfoot. His delusion will not materialize a Bigfoot for the rest of us to find.
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I am not delusional. To find a Bigfoot, you would need to get out in the woods and look. But, you find it much easier to sit behind your computer and insult me. Consider yourself ignored.
 
clayflingythingy said:
WGBH,

Not frequented by humans except during hunting season. Ok, fair enuff. However, how often did the owners hunt this land?

Deer Hunting season is in the fall. I only went there once.

Here in Ky in the present day you have spring turkey/squirrel season, small game seasons from late summer thru Feb. Deer season starts in late summer for archery, then you have black powder season, and then the modern gun hunt. So it is possible to have land owned "only for hunting" with a human presence for about 8 months out of the year by avid hunters. And I know some avid hunters who hunt almost every weekend.

How many weeks and weekends were the owners, guests, friends actually at this property?

They spent many weekends at the cabins, but you can only go out hunting during the fall.

What about neighboring land owners? How often were they out and about on their property.

At that time there were no close by neighbors to the property. You had to drive miles just to get to a grocery store.

BTW, your answer to Vort were the same old tired footer arguments that are repeated over and over by bleevers.
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Yes they are, and his are the same old skeptical arguments against my claims. Seems we never learn, do we?
 
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