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Yet more NLP BS

Iknoweverything said:
Hang on Mike I think I am getting it now, you attempted to get girls using special NLP patterns and you got nothing "as usual". As you were unable to get some action using these secret NLP speech patterns your frustration built, you saw other guys with all the girls and you kept on getting nothing. Now your frustration has reached boiling point and it all has to come out on here. Its ok my friend
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Ad hominem arguments don't help either. Everybody's treated you with respect so far.
 
A few years ago I read a NLP book of my fathers. It was quite entertaining and decriped it as a therapy form, there was ridicule of gestalt therapy and others, plus some derision of others who claimed to know NLP, (the author claimed to be the inventor of it).

I was wondering "If it is so good, why is everyone not using it"
 
Iknoweverything said:
Hang on Mike I think I am getting it now, you attempted to get girls using special NLP patterns and you got nothing "as usual". As you were unable to get some action using these secret NLP speech patterns your frustration built, you saw other guys with all the girls and you kept on getting nothing. Now your frustration has reached boiling point and it all has to come out on here. Its ok my friend
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Wow, NLP sucks at trolling, too.

Iknoweverything said:
I don't agree with that. That is the whole point of it.
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If NLP is all in your mind, why have all the seminars and books and stuff? Why not just use positive affirmations? Or, heck... a lucky rock?
 
Axiom_Blade said:
Wow, NLP sucks at trolling, too.



If NLP is all in your mind, why have all the seminars and books and stuff? Why not just use positive affirmations? Or, heck... a lucky rock?
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Or homeopathy. It's got to be cheaper - specially if you DIY.
 
Iknoweverything said:
I don't agree with that. That is the whole point of it.
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I'm sorry, that's your oddest response yet.

If you are such a propent of NLP, saying that we must experience it in order to know what would work and how it would work for ourselves, why now would you try to convince us it works if you admit it is a placebo?

Especially since the only "evidence" that you have given us are ancedotes that are about yourself. You seem to be saying that you KNOW it's a placebo, and yet it still works on you.

I'm sorry, but you have just completely invalidated yourself.
 
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Iknoweverything said:
Quit the Site ? Sorry my friend, I have been traveling. You want to know exactly what I have been doing ?.
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Hmmm... I didn't ask but whatever you did must have been a big NLP success for you to wish to share here...
I fly to Australia on business then spend a day on the beach where I meet two nice ladies. One of the ladies I get on really well with and end up spending the night with her. I am now about to fly to NewYork for a weekend on company expenses and am meeting another lady friend there. I could go on and detail more about how much I earn and how successful and like I am as a person but I do not wish to.
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Far be it from you to brag. How do we know what you consider nice ladies, company expense and success are what regular non-NLP people consider as such. You can be be keeping company with tired transvestites, paddling a canoe and feel a happy meal is a score.
My success and how I am liked in the REAL WORLD is a clear demonstration of what I have learned and use .
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I guess our experience with you is the non-real world. You're not succeeding in proselytizing NLP or particularly being liked.

All I can say to you remirol is what is your experience? what have you done in your life? What jobs have you had ? how many people have you helped ? how much do you contribute to charity monthly ? How much do you actually do for humanity. I can guarantee not nearly as much as me and I am pretty sure my judgement on that is correct.
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This is your argument for NLP? State you are a better person than the person you are arguing with. I can't guarantee a lot, but I can guarantee remirol can put a logical argument together where you fail.

Lothario said:
So you've spent all this time trying to convince us NLP isn't just woo and now you admit it's just a placebo? Drinking your own urine can be a placebo too if you believe in it. The fact that NLP can have a placebo effect doesn't make it any good.
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Iknoweverything said:
I don't agree with that. That is the whole point of it.
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This admission has just exploded your entire life. Now that you know and admitted that all your success has been because of a placebo you will undoubtedly be doomed to failure now that you have admitted the truth. Your clients will see through your mirroring techniques. They will feel you are mocking them when you try to reproduce their respiratory timing. Forget about rapport. Anchoring will now and forever be an embarrassment when you try it. Your life will be reframed into discovering your inner woo. Swish will be just as woo as it was ever (even you didn't buy into swish).

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. You should have stuck to woo sites.
 
Iknoweverything said:
Hang on Mike I think I am getting it now, you attempted to get girls using special NLP patterns and you got nothing "as usual". As you were unable to get some action using these secret NLP speech patterns your frustration built, you saw other guys with all the girls and you kept on getting nothing. Now your frustration has reached boiling point and it all has to come out on here. Its ok my friend
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:D Wow, you got me! I'm so busted!
Wait, I get it - that post was a value reframe, right? It was meant to place me in a less likeable social frame, thereby decreasing my value, right? Well sorry... I don't believe in NLP so I still feel pretty valuable.

If my aggressive tone offended you, I apologize. I don't think you're stupid, I think NLP is. Unfortunately, you admitting that NLP is a placebo means we no longer have anything to argue about. We seem to be in agreement. NLP is BS, and treating someone with NLP is the same as treating with reiki, crystal therapy, or prayer groups. If you had simply come on here and said "NLP makes some people feel better," you wouldn't have been met with such "aggression."

...either way, I'm sure if we were all face to face with you and you were using your NLP mirroring techniques or whatever, we'd love you.
 
Senex said:
Far be it from you to brag. How do we know what you consider nice ladies, company expense and success are what regular non-NLP people consider as such. You can be be keeping company with tired transvestites, paddling a canoe and feel a happy meal is a score.
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If you're really talented using embedded commands you can manipulate your way to a big mac and a middle-aged divorcée. Throw in some punctuation ambiguity and you might even get a company paid Fiat Punto.

This admission has just exploded your entire life. Now that you know and admitted that all your success has been because of a placebo you will undoubtedly be doomed to failure now that you have admitted the truth. Your clients will see through your mirroring techniques. They will feel you are mocking them when you try to reproduce their respiratory timing. Forget about rapport. Anchoring will now and forever be an embarrassment when you try it. Your life will be reframed into discovering your inner woo. Swish will be just as woo as it was ever (even you didn't buy into swish).

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. You should have stuck to woo sites.
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This will be an interesting case study: does placebo effect cease when the subject becomes aware that it's a placebo?
 
Lothario said:
This will be an interesting case study: does placebo effect cease when the subject becomes aware that it's a placebo?
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Absolutely. Iknoweverything will soon be stumbling on his NLP monologues. His swagger will soon be replaced by meekness. Don't build your business persona on a house of cards is the moral to this thread.
Lothario said:
If you're really talented using embedded commands you can manipulate your way to a big mac and a middle-aged divorcée. Throw in some punctuation ambiguity and you might even get a company paid Fiat Punto
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Hey, hey, hey -- I don't care about big macs or puntos -- but don't be disparaging my favorite demographic.
Iknoweverything said:
Yes and I have a degree in psychology, thank you for your eye opening reply

You also stated you know nothing about mentalism, I do.

That makes your replies even more amusing
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I missed this earlier. You know something about mentalism yet believe in NLP? You have a degree in psychology and believe in swish? It's much more likely that you watched a few mentalists and bought into their misdirection NLP explanations. You can't actually perform mentalism yourself can you? You just haven't chosen to use your Jedi NLP tricks for amusement. You are such a sucker for mentalist misdirection.

What do you know about mentalism? What effects were you thinking of when you said you know about mentalism?
 
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Hmm... i suppose Iknoweverything's not going to reply anymore.

I have another question. I saw some courses on "Conversational Hypnosis" being sold together with NLP so i looked it up on wikipedia. It brought me to an entry on "covert hypnosis": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_hypnosis
Once again the name Milton Erickson shows up. He was the source of NLP's language patterns (the same ones being used to "manipulate" people) and from what i understand a great influence in the world of hypnotherapy.
Is Milton's work "woo" or do his concepts of embedded commands and punctuation ambiguity as ways to speak directly to the subconcious have any value when used on a willing patient? Also, what's your take on hypnotherapy?
 
Lothario said:
Hmm... i suppose Iknoweverything's not going to reply anymore.

I have another question. I saw some courses on "Conversational Hypnosis" being sold together with NLP so i looked it up on wikipedia. It brought me to an entry on "covert hypnosis": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_hypnosis
Once again the name Milton Erickson shows up. He was the source of NLP's language patterns (the same ones being used to "manipulate" people) and from what i understand a great influence in the world of hypnotherapy.
Is Milton's work "woo" or do his concepts of embedded commands and punctuation ambiguity as ways to speak directly to the subconcious have any value when used on a willing patient? Also, what's your take on hypnotherapy?
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:rolleyes: Don't encourage him. That wiki link made me laugh, though. I hadn't seen that one.
 
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