From Rapture Ready

[Elizabeth I]

Wow! A twofer - a religiosity AND a spun-out-of-control CTer!

It's two - two - two nuts in one!

 

[Paulhoff]

With blessings come much responsibility

No there doesn't, blessings from which so-called god.

Paul

 

[The Man]

I looked it up yesterday because someone asked the same sort of thing. on another forum I was on. My statement is based on what I remember but you might want to look it up yourself. I was using NetBible. The idea is something to do with idolatry. What I like to do is compare it to the ones who fornicate with the whore in scarlet and purple who rides on the back of the Beast, in Revelation.
So, right, street whores do not count.

If the street is their temple and the exchange of money for such defiling is just part of that ceremony, what then? It would seem a matter entirely up to the whore, would it not?

That's why I have to periodically come on this forum to see how crazy I come off. Where I normally post, people think I am very reasonable.
Seriously, we are living in a world where TV is completely government controlled. Go on-line and read the European and Russian and English papers and find out we are not given even half of what is going on. Overseas, people are laughing at us for how stupid we are. Pravda has headlines "America goes into Marxism Without a Whimper".

Well you have certainly succeeded with your first objective. So you are citing a government controlled paper (Pravda) as giving us the other “half of what is going on” that is not provided by our own media which you also claim is government controlled? Again do you listen to yourself?

 

[The Man]

Allright, now. fess up.
Who here had a huge heaping bowl full of crazypuffs for breakfast this morning?

I always have a big heaping bowl full of Cuckoo Krispies, just to prepare myself for discussions like this.

 

[Moochie]

I think Ethnikos is spinning us a yarn.


M.

 

[Emerson Street]

There is lots of proof for this stuff if you look for it. Probably my best source is Dr. Deagle who has a radio show and web site.

Wow! judging by what I just read about him, this guy makes YOU look sane!

Please keep in mind the Membership Agreement and do not use personal attacks to argue your point.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

 

[Ethnikos]

In the real world when people ask for evidence, you are suppose to present evidence NOT produce more fantasy.

Why are religious right wingers almost universally also Anti-vaxers?

Here's a question for you.
Do you think you should be concerned that the same lab making your vaccine is also creating bio-weapons for the military?

 

[Chaos]

I think Ethnikos is spinning us a yarn.


M.

A yawn, actually.

 

[Ethnikos]

Wow! judging by what I just read about him, this guy makes YOU look sane!

The guy is a virologist and knows all about the current virus causing the stage five alerts. He calls it the Mexican flu. He has all kinds of quests to discuss what the globalists are doing. There are law suits right now against the government for on purpose releasing these engineered viruses on the population for imposing martial law.
I seem to be getting off track of the topic of this thread. What I wanted to say was that there is something going on in the world, that will, one way or another create a crises to where God will have to intervene to take out a few survivors.
I do not buy into the theory that the entire bunch of "believers" get taken wholesale, off the planet before anything bad ever happens. That type of thinking just accelerates the bad things happening. To think that it is a good thing to contribute to the crises, with the idea that the sooner the better, is plain wrong. If God wanted things fast, it would have been done a long time ago, and before you were born, so think about that.
I am probably preaching to the choir and all the happy pre-tribbers are over on rapture-ready, having a big party and congratulating themselves about how everything is going to hell.

 

[GeeMack]

My contributions on this forum have a way of ending up as lectures on religion.
Rational, I think so from a nonbeliever's viewpoint but based on belief, from mine. It is not only right, but imperative, on our parts. With blessings come much responsibility, and we need to "work out our own salvation" meaning to come to it on our own. Also "do not let any man call you father" pretty much kills the idea of a priesthood.

In English, please.

 

[Paulhoff]

Here's a question for you.
Do you think you should be concerned that the same lab making your vaccine is also creating bio-weapons for the military?

Proof.

Paul

 

[paximperium]

Here's a question for you.
Do you think you should be concerned that the same lab making your vaccine is also creating bio-weapons for the military?

Hey a no answer! Why am I not surprised?

Which lab is this? GSK? Merck? The CDC?
You mean the experts in infectious disease are making a vaccine against a disease? Wow!!!

You may be surprised but vaccines are made in the UK.

 

[paximperium]

The guy is a virologist and knows all about the current virus causing the stage five alerts.

No. He is a GP and has as much insight into this as any medical professional.

He calls it the Mexican flu.

Hey, just like everyone else does. He can call it whatever he wants. It is called the H1N1 Influenza Virus.

He has all kinds of quests to discuss what the globalists are doing. There are law suits right now against the government for on purpose releasing these engineered viruses on the population for imposing martial law.

Docket number and court where this has been filed.

 

[Ethnikos]

Proof.

Paul

I have to work on that one because it was a discussion on the radio show. I will have to dig around to see if I can find any documents. It is the subject of another law suit so there should be something.
Meanwhile he is one of the things I mentioned earlier from a book by David Rockefeller:
"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

 

[Roadtoad]

I should have known.

Ethnikos, you don't know me, but I know your type. John Torrell has been spewing this same drivel for years, and while I was working in Christian radio, his outfit began sending me "information" of the same sort you have begun posting. The facts don't support your views, but I'm pretty sure you won't be interested in anything as mundane as facts. After all, you have "faith."

Let me ask you this: At what point do your words become taking the Lord's name in vain? It's not as simple a question as you might think.

Consider it this way: Following the victory at Jericho, Israel was next taking on the town of Ai. The leaders among Israel told Joshua, "We don't need to take the entire camp. We only need to take a few of the men."

Instead of a victory, it became a rout, with Israel losing 36 men, IIRC. Joshua, deflated, went off to pray, only to be confronted by a "man of God," one with a sword, who demanded to know why Joshua was praying while there was sin in the camp. (It was later revealed that Achan had done a bit of looting at Jericho, even though that had been strictly forbidden by God, as he wanted Jericho totally destroyed.)

Were Joshua's words taking God's name in vain?

Frankly, in my own view, they were. Joshua had been called upon to fulfill certain responsibilities, and he'd focused on other things rather than what he was called to. He was wrapped up in junk, and as a result, he failed to keep sin out of the camp.

Problem is, you're doing the same thing. This BS about David Rockefeller is just that, and it allows you to ignore the realities of what you claim you are and the responsibilities you're supposed to be fulfilling. "We can't help with the homeless, the hungry, the sick, the imprisoned. It's the fault of the Trilateral Commission!"

And as you perpetuate this silliness, you also focus on the Last Days, riffing about how Jesus is coming, and you have to get ready for Him! "We just don't have time to get involved in this other stuff!"

See, I know this tale backwards and forwards. I know the horror stories that get told to perpetuate the myths, and I know the false comfort which gets created with a Pre-Trib Rapture tale, and how it's supposed to "encourage" the faithful, ignoring the realities that there are people who are actually suffering right now, who need help, but aren't getting it. Tithes and offerings go to building funds, rather than supporting the real needs of the communities that churches are supposed to be serving. The churches that are meeting the needs are damned by Evangelicals as being "too liberal," and are left struggling, while others grow into bloat vomiting forth a "gospel" that offers comfort for people who are seeking to validate their ignorance of basic science, common decency, and reasoned compassion.

I know your people well. I was once one of them.

I rejected it, and moved on.

Rapture Ready, with it's mass hypnosis of people into believing that the end is nigh, ignoring the very reality that even if it is, there are needs, panders to this kind of sympathetic stupidity, allowing the self righteous to preen before the faithless. It reveals a very real hatred and prejudice against any and all who dare to question their pseudo-orthodoxy, one which, if you've ever read of the early Church, would have brought about the most vociferous denials from the Council of Nicea. St. Athanasius would have been as brutal in his denials of this "gospel" has he was in denying the Aryan Heresies, and it would have been equally damned by Johann Huss and John Calvin. Rapture Ready promotes a fraud, offering a stone for bread where bread is desperately needed.

And this is the false promise your sermons, as well as those of Hamelekim, Kurious Kathy, Christian Dude, and so many others before. It's a waste of bandwidth and time.

SuperCorgi nailed it. There's a real underlying cruelty to what it is you're promoting, and perpetuating a myth like this in the name of "salvation" is one of the more barbaric hoaxes promoted. Doing so under the claim of being a "Philadelphian Church" is even more insulting; most people realize you're not being persecuted for your beliefs, but prosecuted for your lack of necessary action in the face of real needs. (Or, to cop a line from Torrell, "When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth,
he will either quit being mistaken, or cease to be honest.")

See, I understand this kind of thing from you well. It's a distraction, every bit as much as the BS about Brad, Angelina, and Jen, or the latest nonsense about Michelle Obama and the kids. (Is it just me, or do we really need to hear another tale about the First Puppy, particularly when it's being reported by Harvard Medical that the number of Medical Bankruptcies in this country are increasing, and that the majority of those going BK have private insurance? And that Congress has allowed loopholes in medical coverage to give the insurers an out when coverage for a particular claim gets "too expensive?")

Sorry, but your arguments are trite, if they have any substance at all. And the "truth" of your "gospel" has been refuted time and again. You not only can use outside sources to investigate Scripture, you damned well should. If you're going to uphold one book as Supreme in human understanding and knowledge, it must withstand all honest scrutiny from all angles.

Yet, even if it's just a collection of apocryphal tales, you would think at the very least it provides some rational understanding of the basics of human compassion. That a person shouldn't pick a farm field clean, so those who are hungry can glean from the field and eat. That healing and feeding those in need are valid reasons to break a Sabbath. That a human being's welfare should come first, and that those needs should be met by his fellow man. (You did read the Book of Acts and the Letter from James, didn't you?) Please, don't insult me by claiming I'm making a Judas argument. It's quite the opposite. This drivel about evil conspiracies is a smoke screen for your own decision to deny mercy to those who need it.

I see the results of this, and so does my Christian wife, who is now questioning what it is she believes and why she believes it. She reads what people like you have to say, spoken from a Laodicean mindset, she begins to challenge what she reads in her Bible, and is wondering if she has been sold a bill of goods. It is causing her real pain, and it's pain I know well myself. I've been there. And I can't make it go away; she has to go through it herself.

Just a little heads up to you, Sir: come here, and you WILL be challenged on what you say, whether you agree with another person or not. And given the extraordinary claims you make regarding your god and whom you declare an opponent to yourself, you damned well had better expect it. To borrow from another source, yes, it does take more faith to believe in something like Evolution as opposed to Creation. But true Faith is based upon what can be observed and repeated. It will withstand the challenges put forth, and where it does not, it will be revised and revisited, re-examined and retested. And in doing so, true Faith will grow stronger.

And true Faith does not support faith in a god who ignores the real needs he has created. Frankly, if I were to treat my dog in the same way your god treats his people, I would be arrested for cruelty to an animal, and I'd damned well deserve it. Placing a bowl of food in front of a hungry creature, then telling the animal to not eat it is a vicious act. If for you it's simply a question of obedience, for me, it's an act of barbarity.

In fact, I'm reminded of a time in school: we had a Chemistry teacher who one week told us a tale of a bunch of students he had. These kids were horrible cheaters, and he decided to teach them a lesson. He gave them a quiz, left a false answer key on the front lectern, then walked out.

Of course, every kid had the same answers on the quiz, the false ones left on the lectern. They all failed the quiz.

Then he pulled the same stunt on us.

I had no respect for the man after that. None.

And I have none for your god, either. Or you.

 

[Roadtoad]

Here's a question for you.
Do you think you should be concerned that the same lab making your vaccine is also creating bio-weapons for the military?

If you're worried about it, why aren't you investing in companies that could make vaccines without producing bio-weapons? Put your money where your mouth is, or close your mouth.

 

[Ethnikos]

In English, please.

We need to come to a spiritual understanding about God and we can only do it on our own. We do not go to a priest who is an initiate in the divine mysteries to just give us symbols of our salvation.
It needs to be heart felt and to cause us to make a spiritual connection with God and to gain understanding. There is eventually a change in your behavior that can only be a result of the spirit working inside you.
The symbolic system denies the full payment for our salvation and that understanding is removed. The understanding that leads to your spiritual connection is substituted for something that is doled out piecemeal.
It has an appearance of being a life changing event, but it throws you into a state worse than the one you started with. (I am talking about the false system.) It says, "this ritual just made you a new person and now, you have free will and are absolved from any previous sin and the sins of your ancestors. But if you go ahead and sin now, it is all your fault and you have to join this regime of having every sin you commit, from now on, dealt with one at a time."
That forces you to involve your salvation with a man in a robe who meters out your salvation, instead of Jesus who died, once for all sin. Being continually under a curse of sin in the false system does not allow you to be free to actually go forward and have a better chance of avoiding sinful activity.

 

[paximperium]

We need to come to a spiritual understanding about God and we can only do it on our own. We do not go to a priest who is an initiate in the divine mysteries to just give us symbols of our salvation.
It needs to be heart felt and to cause us to make a spiritual connection with God and to gain understanding. There is eventually a change in your behavior that can only be a result of the spirit working inside you.

Translation: "You must first believe to believe and then I get to make up whatever I want."

That forces you to involve your salvation with a man in a robe who meters out your salvation, instead of Jesus who died, once for all sin. Being continually under a curse of sin in the false system does not allow you to be free to actually go forward and have a better chance of avoiding sinful activity.

Since most here don't even believe there was a Jesus described in the Bible, you preaching continues to NOT be evidence.

 

[Ethnikos]

Hey a no answer! Why am I not surprised?
Which lab is this? GSK? Merck? The CDC?
You mean the experts in infectious disease are making a vaccine against a disease? Wow!!!
You may be surprised but vaccines are made in the UK.

"Experts in infectious disease"? I am talking about creating viruses meant to kill people. Those are the people you want making something that is going to be injected in your body?
You may be surprised that some of our vaccines are made in China. Feel better, now?

 

[paximperium]

Still waiting. Which lab? CDC, NIH, GSK, Abbott, Stanford, UPenn, Harvard?

"Experts in infectious disease"? I am talking about creating viruses meant to kill people. Those are the people you want making something that is going to be injected in your body?

Why are you typing on your computer? Many of the servers and computer chips used on the internet(and YOUR computer) are used to test Nuclear weapons!!!!!!

In fact the NSA is likely listening to you right now. Did you hear a knock at your door?
Why aren't you hiding in a little shack in a small island?

You may be surprised that some of our vaccines are made in China. Feel better, now?

Actually reality says you are wrong. Do you have anything to say that is based in reality and not fantasy land?