Ed Obama's speech to the Muslim world

[Ziggurat]

To some extent, the West is in a fight against Islam, even if it is a distorted view of the Quran and the Hadith.

Indeed.

I was also a little irritated at the way the Treaty of Trippoli was mentioned. He used it to introduce the quote, “The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims.” which is all well and good, and worth saying. But no mention was made of why there was a treaty signed in the first place: namely that Tripoli demanded tribute in exchange for not attacking US ships. Which they ended up doing anyways, despite the treaty and the tributes we paid, and which they justified on religious grounds. Our very first enemies after independence were muslim nations, and that enmity was chosen by them, not us.

 

[dudalb]

I only heard the last half, but it was easily one of the most impressive speeches I have ever heard. Imagine that: asking Israelis and Palestinians to grow up, realize that neither is going away and live up to their responsibilities of past peace agreements, telling the world that countries where women can freely choose their own path are actually prosperous, that America will now strive to live up to their ideals.

Reading a transcript doesn't do his speech justice (and neither does my summation.)

Michael

That has been the standard American position for years. Bush could have given that speech easily.
Granted, Obama is a 100 times better speaker then Bush, but some of the adulation for what was basically just a restatement of standard American policy is pretty over the top.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Every single moslem i know and talk about it does not see Terrorists as moslems, they clearly see it as abusing the religion.

Well, yes, but this is anecdotal. Fundamentalist Islam is huge in the Middle East.

not the islam the majority of moslems belives in,

Evidence?

but with groups of people that have a disorted version of islam to justify their terrorism.

Yet they are still fighting people who are driven by religion, driven by the belief that God's word is unshakable, and that God's laws must by implemented on the Earth. The West are thus fighting religious belief. The Crusaders were fighting because of their religion, regardless of whether it was distorted or not.

I have to say, I did think the end of Obama's speech was tremendous, and edged towards historic standards. He is spot on with 'Remember that we inhabit this Earth for only a brief period of time'. A shame the Islamists believe it will be eternal.

I'm sure much will be made of him almost saying 'God bless America' but turning it into 'Peace be upon you'.

 

[Ziggurat]

Every single moslem i know and talk about it does not see Terrorists as moslems, they clearly see it as abusing the religion. even when those terrorists claim to do it in the name of allah or whoever.

And conversely, terrorists would likely say that the muslims you know are not true muslims. In both cases it's a "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

so he was right, we are not at war with Islam.

Yet another position carried over from the Bush administration.

 

[DC]

That has been the standard American position for years. Bush could have given that speech easily.
Granted, Obama is a 100 times better speaker then Bush, but some of the adulation for what was basically just a restatement of standard American policy is pretty over the top.

no way, it included foreign language and the word Nuclear several times.....

 

[Pardalis]

yes, i never claimed otherwise.

That's why I don't believe you.

You initially coming to this forum as a rabid 9/11 truther, and your choice of username say otherwise.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Strawman: "America is not - and never will be - at war with Islam." Okay. Who said it was? George Bush? Well, no ...

No, I had the impression it was a bunch of Muslim loonies.

I didn't realize that Obama's whole speech had to be a denunciation of George W. Bush, but your post, sir, has chastened me. Of course every word in it has to be a denunciation of Bush, and if anything Obama says appears to rebuke anyone else ...

... excuse me, did you just use the word "strawman"?

 

[DC]

Well, yes, but this is anecdotal. Fundamentalist Islam is huge in the Middle East.

yes it is anecdotal.
how big? who is included?

Evidence?

havent any. my personal impression.

Yet they are still fighting people who are driven by religion, driven by the belief that God's word is unshakable, and that God's laws must by implemented on the Earth. The West are thus fighting religious belief. The Crusaders were fighting because of their religion, regardless of whether it was distorted or not.

sure we fight people driven by religion.
when we arrest a man driven by his christian belive that killed someone, a doctor for example. does that mean we are now at war with christianity?

I have to say, I did think the end of Obama's speech was tremendous, and edged towards historic standards. He is spot on with 'Remember that we inhabit this Earth for only a brief period of time'. A shame the Islamists believe it will be eternal.

I'm sure much will be made of him almost saying 'God bless America' but turning it into 'Peace be upon you'.

lucky he didnt say God bless America, that would have been inappropriate.
i dont think they will make much of it because he almost said it.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Bush could have given that speech easily.

 

[Pardalis]

no way, it included foreign language and the word Nuclear several times.....

Actually, Obama mentioned Iran's nuclear program several times, that was his "third source of tension".

Did you listen to the speech?

 

[DC]

That's why I don't believe you.

You initially coming to this forum as a rabid 9/11 truther, and your choice of username say otherwise.

i already pointed out that i really dont care if you belive me or not.
but if you want to debate it deeply you can start a topic about it, i will join in and answer all your questions..... but dont derail this one.

 

[DC]

Actually, Obama mentioned Iran's nuclear program several times, that was his "third source of tension".

Did you listen to the speech?

yes i did, and i loved that part very much, did you actually listen tot he speach?

btw
no mention of their nucular programm

 

[Pardalis]

yes i did, and i loved that part very much, did you actually listen tot he speach?

btw
no mention of their nucular programm

You're the last person to tell people how to speak English properly.

 

[DC]

You're the last person to tell people how to speak English properly.

i have to agree on that.

 

[Madalch]

I'm tempted to wander over to Rapture Ready to see what they think of his speech.

 

[Brainster]

I like that he stuck up for the right of women to wear the hijab.

 

[Pardalis]

I like that he stuck up for the right of women to wear the hijab.

He did say if it was their personal choice.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Bush could have given that speech easily.

But no-one would have believed him if he did.

Granted, Obama is a 100 times better speaker then Bush, but some of the adulation for what was basically just a restatement of standard American policy is pretty over the top.

Ah yes, "standard American policy": "Open the gates that the righteous nations may enter, The nation that keeps faith."

 

[Dr Adequate]

I like that he stuck up for the right of women to wear the hijab.

If you don't like that, go and live in France.

This is America.

 

[Pardalis]

When he said "All of us share this world for but a brief moment in time" he almost sounded like an atheist...