"Abortion Doctor" Murdered

A Christian Sceptic said:
Some women choose to have an abortion whether it's legal or illegal. I also think the pro-life movement is wasting time and energy on trying to make a Federal Ban on Abortion - it won't stop abortions. If they care about the women and the babies they should identify why women even have abortions and maybe focus on those environmental variables instead. Then women can choose not to have an abortion.
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They can already do that.

Good grief :rolleyes:

Folks, at this point I think it would be wise for us all to collectively ignore anything that ACS has to say from now on. ACS clearly seems to be unwilling in sticking to the point of the thread, and I think this is probably a deliberate attempt to derail.

Let's just stop feeding the troll.
 
The sick thing is the so-called "pro-life" murderers do not appear to want there to be NO abortions, because there have ALWAYS been abortions, they appear to want there to be no safe, legal abortions. This is because the life of the mother appears to means nothing whatsoever to them, and they actually appear happy that women get horribly maimed and killed in botched back-alley abortions because, well, those are the wages of sin for "loose" women.
 
MattusMaximus said:
They can already do that.

Good grief :rolleyes:

Folks, at this point I think it would be wise for us all to collectively ignore anything that ACS has to say from now on. ACS clearly seems to be unwilling in sticking to the point of the thread, and I think this is probably a deliberate attempt to derail.

Let's just stop feeding the troll.
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What was my point in that post you "good griefed"? Did you not read it? You can't really be this dense.
 
BenBurch said:
The sick thing is the so-called "pro-life" murderers do not appear to want there to be NO abortions, because there have ALWAYS been abortions, they appear to want there to be no safe, legal abortions. This is because the life of the mother appears to means nothing whatsoever to them, and they actually appear happy that women get horribly maimed and killed in botched back-alley abortions because, well, those are the wages of sin for "loose" women.
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Sorry, but I think this is a bit of hyperbole. I say that because I honestly don't think the extremists even think in these kind of terms... most of them probably don't get much past "I'm doing God's will in saving these babies."

ETA: In thinking that way, it's awfully easy to convince oneself that murder (in the name of God) is justified.
 
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MattusMaximus said:
Sorry, but I think this is a bit of hyperbole. I say that because I honestly don't think the extremists even think in these kind of terms... most of them probably don't get much past "I'm doing God's will in saving these babies."
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I confronted several from "Concerned Women For America" at a protest and they said "Why should we care what happens to those sluts?!"

Good Christian Women, they.
 
BenBurch said:
I confronted several from "Concerned Women For America" at a protest and they said "Why should we care what happens to those sluts?!"

Good Christian Women, they.
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Ah, I understand the point you're making, but we're talking about two different things. You're talking about the crowd that waves signs and talks trash. I'm talking about the murderous killers. Two different things, but I can see how an extremist & imbalanced version of the former can lead to the latter...
 
MattusMaximus said:
Ah, I understand the point you're making, but we're talking about two different things. You're talking about the crowd that waves signs and talks trash. I'm talking about the murderous killers. Two different things, but I can see how an extremist & imbalanced version of the former can lead to the latter...
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If you don't think those creatures smiled when they heard this, you have a much less jaundiced view of humanity than I can muster.
 
BenBurch said:
If you don't think those creatures smiled when they heard this, you have a much less jaundiced view of humanity than I can muster.
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I think some of the more demented ones probably did, but I also think some of them also were saddened.

I'm not willing to paint with such a wide brush as you.
 
BenBurch said:
I confronted several from "Concerned Women For America" at a protest and they said "Why should we care what happens to those sluts?!"
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This seems to be the overriding motive behind most of these anti-abortion zealots. Of course most of them being pro-war and pro-death penalty without thinking twice about it, I'd imagine, all of this BS about "compassion for life" notwithstanding.

Ever notice it's the men who are most crazed about the issue? Randall Terry, the guy who blew up the Olympics in Atlanta and his brother who sawed off his hand with a chainsaw in protest all the way down to the talking heads in the media, Pat Buchanan, Bill O'Reilly and their ilk. Punish the dirty, dirty whores!
 
Drudgewire said:
Well, I'd imagine the rest of the congregation of the church he was shot in would condemn it pretty heavily.
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Yep--even those who protest at abortion clinics holding signs that say, "Abortion is murder."

They'll do their best to distance themselves from this murder.
 
oldhat said:
Ever notice it's the men who are most crazed about the issue? Randall Terry, the guy who blew up the Olympics in Atlanta and his brother who sawed off his hand with a chainsaw in protest all the way down to the talking heads in the media, Pat Buchanan, Bill O'Reilly and their ilk. Punish the dirty, dirty whores!
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Good point. I was just thinking about this very thing. Hmmm...
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Drudgewire said:
Well, I'd imagine the rest of the congregation of the church he was shot in would condemn it pretty heavily.
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Yep--even those who protest at abortion clinics holding signs that say, "Abortion is murder."

They'll do their best to distance themselves from this murder.
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If this post has any point at all, you seem to be saying that anyone who believes that "Abortion is murder" (and btw I don't believe any such thing) is therefore partially responsible for the murder of abortionists.

Rather a stretch, don't you think? For example, as a (near) pacifist I might believe that the decision to invade Iraq constituted murder, but I am most emphatically not advocating the murder of Bush/Blair.
 
BenBurch said:
That is the usual reaction.

I posted one of the less bad stories I am aware of.
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Pretty rough stuff, but I did get past the back-alley abortion bit - eventually. Once I got to the section about the clinical abortion procedure, it was much easier going.
 
JoeyDonuts said:
Erm...I see it as one person taking it upon himself to level a firearm at another and pull the trigger.
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And how many other people screaming, "Abortion is murder!"?

I certainly don't blame "Christianity", but I do blame everyone who asserts that abortion is murder. If abortion really were murder, then this guy's actions would be reasonable or even commendable.

I think most people who make that claim don't even believe it themselves.

I'm not saying they should commit murder, but their actions are not at all consistent with that assertion. They generally allow exceptions for cases of rape and incest. (If abortion were murder because a fetus is a human being, the cause of pregnancy would be completely irrelevant.) They generally favor laws that punish abortion clinic workers (doctors, nurses and so on), and not laws that would imprison the woman having an abortion. If abortion were murder, a woman asking for an abortion (and either paying or causing to be paid the people providing that service) would be as guilty as a person who hires a hit man for a contract murder.

At any rate, they should understand how inflammatory it is to claim, "Abortion is murder". Even though they themselves don't believe it, they should expect that some people will take them seriously.

ETA: I'm certainly not saying the murderer isn't responsible for his actions. I just think these hypocrites who egged him on should think about what they're saying.
 
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