Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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William Parcher said:
So they are essentially unavailable to confirm or contradict your recollections from that day?
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Probably, I have no idea. I stoped interacting with them 5 years before they moved. I know thier names, but that is it.
 
atpeace said:
JUST AN ASIDE:
However, they too (the ones I know who believe they have had an encounter) have absolutely no sympathy for the ones I described that make up the bulk of the encounter database and field reports and denounce their drivel vehemently and poke holes and fun at their claims constantly.
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Can I make that my signature line? :D I HATE HOAXERS
 
WGBH said:
Tree, bush or brush, call it what you want. It was smaller then the pine trees and larger then the brush. It had large leaves and blue/purpleish berries.
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Whatever the plant was, it was at least 9' tall - as you said the Bigfoot was reaching out and sometimes up for food, yes?
 
WGBH said:
Kit and Vort,

One major flaw I see in this theory.

I could smell that smell for about a day after the encounter. It seemed to be burned into my nostrils. I even tried to wash it out of my nose. Thoughts?

There are other flaws, but let's start with this one.
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WGBH, we've addressed this question with explanations that olfactory distortion or enhancement is a known and documented element of the hallucinatory experience. We've provided links to medical, psychological and educational sites describing this.

With that established, what are the other "flaws" that you see in our theory that you experienced a hypnagogic (between sleep and wakefulness) or hypnopompic (post-waking) hallucination?
 
Vortigern99 said:
WGBH, we've addressed this question with explanations that olfactory distortion or enhancement is a known and documented element of the hallucinatory experience. We've provided links to medical, psychological and educational sites describing this.

With that established, what are the other "flaws" that you see in our theory that you experienced a hypnagogic (between sleep and wakefulness) or hypnopompic (post-waking) hallucination?
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Occam's razor theory?
 
Occam's razor -- the idea that the simplest explanation is preferred over more complicated solutions -- would dictate that a known and studied human phenomenon, namely hallucinations of the kind we've been discussing, are the simpler explanation than that a breeding population of massive bipeds with 5-foot shoulders has somehow gone unphotographed and unobserved by science while obtaining a daily intake of 9000 calories inside a populated area in the eastern US.
 
It was eating. It was eating berries and leaves. I could see it reach out, and it would grab a branch, and it stick the whole branch in its mouth and just pull it through its mouth and just strip everything off of it. Especially the leaves, it would pull them off of it.
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John, was the Bigfoot tearing the branches off the 9' tall "brush" before mouth-stripping them, or did it strip them while still attached to the "brush"?
 
Vortigern99 said:
Occam's razor -- the idea that the simplest explanation is preferred over more complicated solutions -- would dictate that a known and studied human phenomenon, namely hallucinations of the kind we've been discussing, are the simpler explanation than that a breeding population of massive bipeds with 5-foot shoulders has somehow gone unphotographed and unobserved by science while obtaining a daily intake of 9000 calories inside a populated area in the eastern US.
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Sorry, could not resist. I love the responses to that statement. I do applaud you for not calling for my execution. :D

But no, the simple explanation in my view, would be I saw an undiscovered primate. So I guess we should agree to disagree on that. It is not the simple answer for myself to think I hallucinated and/or had sleep paralysis. For you to think that, fair enough. It's all about perspective.
 
John, when you walked over to look for the footprints - those recently-stripped branches were still there. Some were on the ground and some were 9' up on the brush. At the minimum, the ones that were 9' off the ground were good evidence that something quite odd had just happened there. The stripped branches on the ground beneath would be additional evidence that you could even pick up and take with you (kick yourself now as they likely were covered with dried saliva + DNA). You could have then showed your friends and asked them for their explanation of this.

Why did you not do this?
 
Here is an excerpt from the Blogsquatcher article, about John's sighting...


But he insists that bigfoot was the last thing on his mind that day. “The only experiences that I had about bigfoot was seeing them on TV, the Six Million Dollar Man, or something like that. I hadn’t really thought about it. I was still a kid. I just wasn’t something that interested me at that time,
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John, before your sighting, had you ever read anything about (alleged) Bigfoot encounters?


I'm asking because you mentioned there was a 'strong odor', and I'm wondering if you had any knowledge of this aspect of Bigfoot sightings, ahead of time.
 
William Parcher said:
John, when you walked over to look for the footprints - those recently-stripped branches were still there. Some were on the ground and some were 9' up on the brush. At the minimum, the ones that were 9' off the ground were good evidence that something quite odd had just happened there. The stripped branches on the ground beneath would be additional evidence that you could even pick up and take with you (kick yourself now as they likely were covered with dried saliva + DNA). You could have then showed your friends and asked them for their explanation of this.

Why did you not do this?
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Because I was a scared kid that wanted to get out of there and I was getting screamed at by the cast of Deliverence holding a fresh deer kill.

Yes, If I knew then what I know now, I have no doubt I could have found at least some trace evidence. I carry around latex gloves and sterile tweezers in my back pack now. Yes, I do think about that missed chance.But what can I do now?
 
William Parcher said:
Did you see any of the stripped branches when you walked over there?
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I don't remember if I saw the stripped branches. I remember spending most of the time looking at the ground for footprints. I only glanced at the berry bush to see what is was eating and try to gauge how tall it was. I remember thinking that Bigfoot would leave footprints and I could show that to my friends so they would believe me.
 
WGBH said:
But no, the simple explanation in my view, would be I saw an undiscovered primate. So I guess we should agree to disagree on that. It is not the simple answer for myself to think I hallucinated and/or had sleep paralysis. For you to think that, fair enough. It's all about perspective.
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This is a problem with Occam's Razor that I've encountered before. The person making the claim, a claim which is unsubstantiated except for their own verbal testimony, will almost always opine that their subjective viewpoint is the "simpler explanation" than any that could be put forth by science. It's a difficult hurdle to overcome.

WGBH, the simple fact is that hallucination is known, studied, verified and documented by numerous studies in laboratory settings. (Kit and I have provided several links to articles describing these studies.) The circumstances of your experience are consistent with the descriptions of hypnagogic and/or hypnopompic hallucinations given in numerous medical and psychological textbooks, websites, and papers. Even if we remove the term "sleep paralysis" from the table (despite your description of feeling "frozen... stuck there"), the aforementioned hallucinatory phenomena remain as entirely reasonable, likely, and even probable explanations.

Bigfoot is not a known, studied, verified or documented organism in any laboratory or scientific paper, beyond the purely speculative. There is no type specimen and no independently corroborated account of its existence.

Therefore, the simplest explanation of your sighting, especially given the hunger, lack of sleep, nausea, collapse, isolation, novel environment, and feelings of panic and danger that accompanied the experience, is that you had either a hypnagogic or hypnopompic hallucination.

If you have some concrete reason why this is not the simplest explanation, I would very much like to read it.
 
I tried to get them to come with me when I went to inspect the area where the animal had been standing, because I was so terrified. They wanted no part of it.
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WGBH said:
I remember thinking that Bigfoot would leave footprints and I could show that to my friends so they would believe me.
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What would you have done if you did see what looked like Bigfoot footprints?
 
Vortigern99 said:
Occam's razor -- the idea that the simplest explanation is preferred over more complicated solutions -- would dictate that a known and studied human phenomenon, namely hallucinations of the kind we've been discussing, are the simpler explanation than that a breeding population of massive bipeds with 5-foot shoulders has somehow gone unphotographed and unobserved by science while obtaining a daily intake of 9000 calories inside a populated area in the eastern US.
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Eastern? I thought bigfoot was from the NorthWest?
 
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