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Indeed it is, but when they are smaller people might call them a bush. They get quite large and make a mess of berries that will blanket the ground all around it. If you park near one, your car will get covered with blue bird crap.
 
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First of all, that statement is from the BFRO report. I mentioned earlier that the other article was more detailed. I said 50 yards initially but it may have been closer if you take into account I was 10 feet high up in a tree. This was covered in detail by the article. I saw the creature very well and also smelled the odor

Sorry, just going by the report. It is your report, right? Would you prefer I go by the embellished version that says you were gut zapped by bigfoot's infrasound ray?


I never said it was my Bigfoot sighting that drove me to alcoholism. I mentioned that I one time suffered from it.

My mistake. When you said "If you discount the nightmares, alcoholism, relationship problems and living a lie about what I witnessed", I thought you were saying your sighting was responsible for all these things.


I have no idea why I was so traumatized. Maybe because we all deal with situations differently? Maybe because I had never been in the woods before? Maybe because I was a boy and I had a 9 foot monster standing right there in front of me? Maybe because I am a big baby? Are you a psychologist? If so, I welcome your opinion. If not you can keep it.

I didn't offer an opinion, I asked a question. Just curious, did your black bear sighting the same day bother you, an animal that has been known to attack, kill and eat people?

I'm glad you were not scared for life. I do not get the relevance of this story to my sighting?

No relevance in particular, just my personal story for perspective. I am allowed, aren't I?

Were you also aware that there were a few sightings recorded in Suffolk, VA that summer? I would know this because the reports came into our research group. Suffolk is North of the swamp on the VA side.

Nope, didn't hear about them. Any chance they got a clear pic, video, or body? I'd love to see them if they did.
 
Exactly. This is what I don't understand. I'm not saying this disqualifies anything John is claiming so far but all I have to do is look out the beyond some trees to a street where about 50 yards away is a bus stop. No matter what the lighting or time of day, I can not see the white of the eyes of the people waiting for the bus.

Wasn't Patty filmed at 102' more or less, according to the story?

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This is very interesting to me. I want to share the details from the detailed report on Blogsquatcher's site:



John, do you recall the colour of the berries?
Blue/Purpleish



It's great and I love it: Me too, but it's just a piece of art

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Forelorn Bigfoots are great. If I saw a 9x6 Bigfoot like that 50 yards from me, I know I'd be flipping out and rubbing my eyes.

Now that was funny!
 
Xblade,

I am not going to answer condescending questions from people who accuse me of embellissing. Been there, done that.
 
Exactly. This is what I don't understand. I'm not saying this disqualifies anything John is claiming so far but all I have to do is look out the beyond some trees to a street where about 50 yards away is a bus stop. No matter what the lighting or time of day, I can not see the white of the eyes of the people waiting for the bus.

Fair enough, perhaps that is why I didnt see any. I am not speculating why I did not see them, just that I did not. Be it that the animal had dark eyes or I just could not see the whites, either way I did not see them.
 
Indeed it is, but when they are smaller people might call them a bush. They get quite large and make a mess of berries that will blanket the ground all around it. If you park near one, your car will get covered with blue bird crap.

Tree, bush or brush, call it what you want. It was smaller then the pine trees and larger then the brush. It had large leaves and blue/purpleish berries.
 
WGBH, given your description of this event, which preceded the sighting of the presumed bigfoot, I would like to submit the possibility that you were having a hypnagogic hallucination, which sometimes occur in conjunction with sleep paralysis.

"Hypnagogia" is the transitional state between wakefulness and sleep. A hypnagogic hallucination is a dream that occurs between the REM (dream-) state and full wakefulness. Such hallucinations can and have been taken as real events in the minds of those who experience them.

Sleep paralysis is a condition that sometimes occurs when the brain awakens from the REM (dream-) state, but body paralysis -- a natural part of the REM state -- persists. This conscious-yet-paralyzed state is sometimes accompanied by hypnagogic hallucinations and an acute sense of danger and panic. Distorted perceptions of one's surroundings, and imagined objects or beings, are known and documented elements of these paralyzed hallucinations.

In the above-quoted report, you say you had not eaten that day and that you became weak and debilitated from nausea. You describe being "frozen... stuck there" prior to being "curled up in the fetal position" on the floor of the deer stand "for about five minutes".

This sounds like a description of sleep paralysis.

You also describe being alone in the woods for the first time in your life. "Sudden environmental change" is a factor that has been reported to increase the likelihood of sleep paralysis occurring. Others include:

* Sleeping in a face upwards or supine position
* Irregular sleeping schedules; naps, sleeping in, sleep deprivation
* Increased stress
* Sudden environmental/lifestyle changes
* A lucid dream that immediately precedes the episode.

WGBH, if you are interested in discovering what happened to you that night in 1982, and have an open mind on the subject, I invite you to look into sleep paralysis and hypnagogic hallucinations, and decide for yourself if the factors involved with this known and studied, but little understood, phenomenon, match your recollection of the events.

It occurs to me that you might have witnessed a bear from the deer stand and, in your waking dream state, distorted the perception into a bigfoot, of which creature you have said you were aware from television. The feelings of panic and irrational danger that often accompany sleep paralysis have stuck with you all these years, and have led or contributed to on-going feelings of unease associated with the memory.


From WebMD:

Over the centuries, symptoms of sleep paralysis have been described in many ways and often attributed to "evil" presences: unseen night demons in ancient times, the old hag in Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, and alien abductors. Almost every culture throughout history has had stories of shadowy evil creatures that terrify helpless humans at night. People have long sought explanations for this mysterious sleep-time paralysis and the accompanying feelings of terror.

But sleep researchers now know that, in most cases, sleep paralysis is simply a sign that your body is not moving smoothly through the stages of sleep. Rarely is sleep paralysis linked to deep underlying psychiatric problems.​


I honestly hope this helps. Here are some quick links to get you started in any research you care to undertake:

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/sleep-paralysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_Paralysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogic_hallucinations
http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html

NOTE: I've relied on wikipedia's entries for the general wording of some of my descriptions of these conditions or phenomena, but the wiki entries are fully corroborated and supported by medical websites' descriptions and definitions of the terms as well. Also, I've written an unpublished novel in which the main character experiences sleep paralysis and hypnagogic hallucinations. I mention this to explain how I've come to understand a little about these events beyond simply looking them up tonight on the internet.

Vortigern,

I am at work this morning. If I had to make a knee jerk reaction, I would say it was not sleep paralysis. But I will study the information you provided closer when I get home tonight. I want to be fair to you and the fine research you put into it, so it does deserve a closer look when I have more time. Thank you so much for your effort.
 
Just wanted to drop out of lurking and thank you guys for this thread. While these forums see quite a lot of discussions about the bigfoot phenomena it's very rare to read a first hand eyewitness report.

I have little to add to the discussion though, but felt you it might be a good idea to remind you veterans that you teach us newbies something new every time. :D

Good to see what kind of questions that are asked and what answers that are available. I can see why so many exotic explanations crop up to explain the elusive nature of the creature. It's a very troubling paradox for the eyewitnesses that they see something that they are sure is there, but is night impossible to explain rationally.

How can such a large creature, apparently seen by quite a few people in the USA, somehow withstand every attempt to gather clear evidence for it's existance? I can understand why such an experience would be though to deal with.
 
Xblade,

I am not going to answer condescending questions from people who accuse me of embellissing. Been there, done that.

Yawn. Excuse making from another footer. Been there, done that. Just curious, can bigfoot fly in the latest version of your story?
 
Did you take them over to where you saw the Bigfoot? Also I'm curious where you were when they finally came for you.

I tried to get them to come with me when I went to inspect the area where the animal had been standing, because I was so terrified. They wanted no part of it.


I was still sitting in the tree stand when they returned to get me around noon. I sat there for 3 hours after the sighting, trying not to make any noise and scared to death. I was thinking thoughts like, I am never going to see my family again. That thing is going to come back here and yank me out of this tree and kill me. Those 3 hours were the worst part of the entire encounter.
 
Can someone inform me if there is a ignore function on this forum please?

Nevermind, I found it.
 
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kitakaze wrote:
What that is is the desire to believe and it's your specialty.


Ahhhhh......the DESIRE to BELIEVE! ;)


Kinda like what you displayed....when you first laid eyes on wolfy's Bull-tastic doll-hand gif....the one with the Magic Marker "adjustment" in it...

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Little did you know your reaction was caught on our hidden camera!
Rooooooooll the tape, Bubbles....


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Wooooo.....Wheezzie....it's AWESOME......absolutely 'drop-dead, knock your brains out AWESOME', I tell ya'!!!"

"I'm with you, George....I'm right with ya'!!!!!!





3 Cheers for the "Desire to Believe"!! :D
 
Ahhhhh......the DESIRE to BELIEVE! ;)


Kinda like what you displayed....when you first laid eyes on wolfy's Bull-tastic doll-hand gif....the one with the Magic Marker "adjustment" in it...

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Desire to believe? OK, let's check the beliefs as explicitly written.

Sweaty, since you would like to keep obnoxiously trying to derail this thread with your flailing, let's try a simple test of intellectual honesty. Simple question, yes or no...
I wrote that wolftrax's redux of Spektator's doll hand demo was awesome. I felt it was a good illustration of the point he was trying to make and I complimented him on it. I have even conceded that it hasn't been ruled out as an explanation.

Did I or did I not many times prior to and after complimenting wolftrax's demonstration explicitly state and make perfectly clear that in my opinion real fingers are the best explanation over the doll hand demo for any perceived finger movement in Patty? Yes or no - answer the question, please.

Little did you know your reaction was caught on our hidden camera!

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You mean recorded in a post I made on a massive forum on the internet available for anyone in the world with internet access to see? That hidden camera? Sweaty, you are truly a special mind.;)


3 Cheers for the "Desire to Believe"!! :D

You make it far too easy for me, Sweaty. Three cheers for the desire to believe, here you go:

Cool! Congrats on your sighting, Professor....you're a very lucky guy! :)

Cool! Congrats on your sighting, Professor....you're a very lucky guy! :)

Cool! Congrats on your sighting, Professor....you're a very lucky guy! :)

David Koenig/The Professor/Psychic Samurai is laughing his ass off.

And so am I.:D
 
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