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Merged Barry Jennings Says There Were Dead People in WTC 7!!!!

T.A.M. said:
Not only does the whole "Barry Jennings" line of theory not make sense, but this JSS character cannot even take the time to produce anything but a barely coherent string of words as his OP.

Is this what is left of the Truth Movement? really?

TAM:)
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The original interview, which was revealed only after news of the BBC documentary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQY-ksiuwKU

The BBC Conspiracy files documentary

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9072062020229593250

I didn't think I needed to post the vids. Everybody has seen them. You all know them and I know that you do.

I only wanted an explanation about one line that the fireman said. So far...zero answers except "Barry didn't remember correctly". I don't want to see cop-outs. I want to know why he debunks his own statements. Set aside the fact that it may or may not be a conspiracy. Why does somebody say "The fireman said don't look down...don't look down...we were stepping over people...and you can feel when you are stepping over people" and then get defensive and say "but I only said I thought we were stepping over people".

Clearly there is some sort of external motivation.
 
JSSTyger said:
The original interview, which was revealed only after news of the BBC documentary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQY-ksiuwKU

The BBC Conspiracy files documentary

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9072062020229593250

I didn't think I needed to post the vids. Everybody has seen them. You all know them and I know that you do.

I only wanted an explanation about one line that the fireman said. So far...zero answers except "Barry didn't remember correctly". I don't want to see cop-outs. I want to know why he debunks his own statements. Set aside the fact that it may or may not be a conspiracy. Why does somebody say "The fireman said don't look down...don't look down...we were stepping over people...and you can feel when you are stepping over people" and then get defensive and say "but I only said I thought we were stepping over people".

Clearly there is some sort of external motivation.
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Yes and the reason you know is because this topic, and the vids, and everything connected to it/them has been posted/spoken of/discussed/debated many many times here. So really, this is yet again, another repeated, useless regurg of the same old same old.

Why didn't you just google search a JREF thread on Jennings (there are a few) and post your comments there.

TAM
 
Way too much information regarding the Barry Jennings comment:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116661



ETA: This is my new method for dealing with the same 'ol, same 'ol stupid. Link to the most relevant thread(s), and wait until the poster in question has digested that information. Not that I expect this method to work, but it keeps me entertained.
 
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T.A.M. said:
Yes and the reason you know is because this topic, and the vids, and everything connected to it/them has been posted/spoken of/discussed/debated many many times here. So really, this is yet again, another repeated, useless regurg of the same old same old.

Why didn't you just google search a JREF thread on Jennings (there are a few) and post your comments there.

TAM
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So what?

Debunkers don't start threads everyday about the same non-debunking garbage?

Does it bother you?
 
JSSTyger said:
Clearly there is some sort of external motivation.
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Yes, and I'd urge you to look in the mirror and ask yourself why you so desperetely need 9/11 to be an inside job, so much so that you feel the need to bring up pointless minutae as evidence of an inside job.
 
T.A.M. said:
Yes and the reason you know is because this topic, and the vids, and everything connected to it/them has been posted/spoken of/discussed/debated many many times here. So really, this is yet again, another repeated, useless regurg of the same old same old.

Why didn't you just google search a JREF thread on Jennings (there are a few) and post your comments there.

TAM
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I don't spend my nights and days monitoring what goes on in JREF.

and btw...thus far...no relevant replies to my OP
 
JSSTyger said:
So far...zero answers except "Barry didn't remember correctly". I don't want to see cop-outs.
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Not even Truthers can come to a conclusion as to the believability of Barry's recollections:

911blogger.com/node/16285
 
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Interesting how Truthers will ignore the testimony of dozens of firefighters who commented on the enormity of the fires in WTC7 and the expectation that building would collapse, but take the hearsay comment of one unknown firefighter as indisputable gospel.

It's almost as if they're intellectually dishonest ideologues struggling to jam the square peg of reality into the round hole of their predetermined conclusions...
 
JSSTyger said:
I don't spend my nights and days monitoring what goes on in JREF.

and btw...thus far...no relevant replies to my OP
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No I am sure there are lots of other forums with innocents for you to sell your snake oil too. JREF ain't as easy pickins.

BTW, thus far there are at least 3 other relevant threads dedicated to issues surrounding Barry Jennings.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
No I am sure there are lots of other forums with innocents for you to sell your snake oil too. JREF ain't as easy pickins.
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I think he got sick of having his get handed to him at, of all places, the IMDB.com United 93 discussion board. Those boards aren't easy pickin's either, and they're not even populated with people who've heard of 9/11 woo before.
 
JSSTyger said:
...and it felt like they were stepping over dead bodies.
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I'm curious. What exactly does "stepping over dead bodies" feel like? Is it anything like "stepping over debris"? And if Barry didn't look down, how could he possibly know he was "stepping over dead bodies"?
 
BenBurch said:
Doesn't.

Not sure they did, though.
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NIST's NCSTAR 1-8 report mentions an EMS triage center established in WTC 7's lobby around 9:30am. The building was evacuated about fifteen minutes later.
It's entirely possible that a difficult decision was made to leave behind the bodies of those poor souls that had already died. That scenario is a wee bit more plausible than what truthers serve up. Dead bodies in WTC 7's lobby does not mean at all what truthers seem to think it means, or want others to think it means.
 
parky76 said:
so what. the fdny brought dead bodies into wtc7's lobby. why does this matter?
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No, they used it as a temporary triage station, but decided it was too dangerous. Referring to the endlessly useful testimony of EMS Chief John Peruggia:

There was debris falling down from the north tower and making its way on to the street and promenade where we were located.

A few moments after Dr. Asaeda arrived and started talking to Captain Nahmod about the patients, a gentleman from the building identified himself as a security person or a security director. He asked me if there is anything that we needed or he could provide me with regard to the EMS. We questioned him as to the ability to open up the loading bays which are associated to number 7 World Trade Center. The entrances are located directly under the pedestrian foot bridge. I figured it was protected there, so debris wouldnít fall down. He said he would do that. I directed Captain Nahmod to move the
patients into that area. Again, the lobby of number 7 is all glass facade. I was concerned that if something should come off the building, go through the glass or hit the glass, we would have an extraordinary amount of patients in addition to what was already being seen.
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Indeed. Peruggia probably saved a number of lives, considering the damage done to the glass at WTC 7 (as shown in the BBC special last summer) by the collapse of the South Tower.

Remember, when you're talking about WTC 7, Peruggia's testimony is the gold standard.

ETA: Regarding the possibility that they had moved dead bodies in there, Peruggia is also specific:

They indicated that there was lots of people on the plaza, that they thought were dead and people were jumping out and said you know, what should we do. I indicated to them that if people were jumping out, more than likely they were correct, the patients were dead. There was nothing that anybody could do for them and that in light of what was going on, operating on
the plaza wasn't safe for them.
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What happened with Barry's story? Well, obviously it was a fairly dramatic story, but when you review the facts it amounts to, "We were stuck in a building for a few hours and got out." So he spiced it up a bit for after-dinner conversation. When you think about it, "Don't look down," doesn't make a lot of sense if you're stepping over dead bodies; I'd for sure want to be looking down so that I didn't actually step on a dead body.
 
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JSSTyger said:
The original interview, which was revealed only after news of the BBC documentary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQY-ksiuwKU

The BBC Conspiracy files documentary

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9072062020229593250

I didn't think I needed to post the vids. Everybody has seen them. You all know them and I know that you do.

I only wanted an explanation about one line that the fireman said. So far...zero answers except "Barry didn't remember correctly". I don't want to see cop-outs. I want to know why he debunks his own statements. Set aside the fact that it may or may not be a conspiracy. Why does somebody say "The fireman said don't look down...don't look down...we were stepping over people...and you can feel when you are stepping over people" and then get defensive and say "but I only said I thought we were stepping over people".

Clearly there is some sort of external motivation.
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Yes yours.
 
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