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Merged Barry Jennings Says There Were Dead People in WTC 7!!!!

Galileo said:
Both Jennings and Hess said there was an explosion inside WTC 7. NIST omits the fact that they said there was an explosion. Both Jennings and Hess were in a part of WTC 7 that did not suffer any debris damage, so the collapse of WTC 1 or 2 could not have caused the landing to blow out and collapse.
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On the contrary, there was extensive debris damage in the area they were at {8th floor}, as noted in the NIST Interim Report.
http://www.studyof911.com/articles/winstonwtc701/
Interim Report on WTC7 (page L-18)

After WTC 1 collapsed::
-- from inside the building at the 8th or 9th Floor elevator lobby, where two elevator cars were ejected from their shafts and landed in the hallway north of the elevator shaft, the visible portion of the south wall was gone with more light visible from the west side possibly indicating damage extending to the west.
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In addition, the elevators and stairwells were all located in the center of the building.
{See: 5.2.2 Structural Framing}
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

Galileo, there is no need to confabulate evidence when known facts exist that prove what actually happened.
 
Galileo said:
Jennings said where he was at 9:03. Do you know something he doesn't know?
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sorry, but i dont see any corroboration of his claim. Its his claim, but his claim DOESNT MATCH THE CLAIMS of other witnesses and the TIMELINE of events.


what part of this do yOU not understand?
 
Norseman said:
As you will see below Peruggia talked with people who had been in the OEM. Persons who arrived in the OEM on the 23rd floor inside WTC 7 well after the second plane had hit WTC 2. And that they arrived when the OEM was still operational before the evacuation.

EMS DIVISION CHIEF JOHN PERUGGIA:

(Text bolded by me)

EMT RICHARD ZARRILLO:

(Text bolded by me)

CAPTAIN ABDO NAHMOD:

(This one was transcribed from the original PDF by me, due to bad OCR in the original PDF. Text bolded by me)

In addition to above Peruggia also asked captain James Yakimovich to go to the OEM. When he arrived in the OEM on the 23rd floor they were evacuating.

The fact is that Barry Jennings' timeline is about one hour wrong.
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OK folks, I've got everything straightened out.

I'm moving my discussion over to here:

Barry Jenning's "Tale"
http://www.randi.org/forumlive/showthread.php?t=85646&page=3

Kudos to Norseman, for helping confirm the statements of Barry Jennings.
 
quicknthedead said:
On the contrary, there was extensive debris damage in the area they were at {8th floor}, as noted in the NIST Interim Report.
http://www.studyof911.com/articles/winstonwtc701/


In addition, the elevators and stairwells were all located in the center of the building.
{See: 5.2.2 Structural Framing}
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

Galileo, there is no need to confabulate evidence when known facts exist that prove what actually happened.
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These two elevators had to have been service elevators on the south side of WTC 7 not the passenger elevators in the center of the building. Jennings and Hess were in the stairwell next to these service elevators. Remember Jennings said he broke out a window to get rescue. There were no windows in the stairwells in the center of the building.

It had to have been a powerful explosion to displace two elevators and destroy a landing of stairs in a stairwell.
 
LashL said:
This is arrant nonsense.

You now have Jennings carrying out superhuman feats of speed.

You have him doing all of the following in ~15 minutes:

Receiving a telephone call some time AFTER the first plane crash (he doesn't ever say how long after, but it seems unlikely that he was on the "call first" list so it's a safe estimate that it was least a few minutes after and possibly 30 or more minutes after);
Making additional phone calls from wherever he was (he doesn't ever say where he was at the time);
Making arrangements to meet up with Mr. Hess (he doesn't ever say how long that took);
Meeting Mr. Hess (he doesn't ever say where he met Mr. Hess);
Making his way to 7WTC (he doesn't ever say how he got there or how long it took to do so);
Making his way into 7WTC and up to the 23rd floor (he doesn't ever say how long this took);
Finding that he couldn't get in to the 23rd floor (he doesn't ever explain why he couldn't get in or how long it took for him to determine that he was not going to be let in by someone else);
Returning to the elevator and back down to the lobby (he doesn't ever say how long this took, but assuming that the elevator he took up to 23 iniitally was still on 23 and had not gone elsewhere in the meantime, this could be as little as 3 minutes);
Locating assistance for an escort back to the 23rd floor (he doesn't ever say how long this took, but in the circumstances, it was probably several minutes at minimum);
Making his way back up to the 23rd floor with an escort who can let him in (another few minutes);
Wandering around the 23rd floor for a while (he doesn't ever say how long he was there after being let in on his second attempt);
Determining that the 23rd floor was empty (he doesn't ever say how long this took, but presumably he would have had to cover quite a bit of ground to make that determination);
Making several phone calls from the 23rd floor (he doesn't ever say how long this took);
Deciding to leave the 23rd floor;
Making his way back to the elevator from wherever he was on the 23rd floor (he doesn't ever say how long this took);
Determining that the elevators were out of service (he doesn't ever say how long he waited before giving up on the elevator);
Finding a stairwell (he says that Mr. Hess found a stairwell, so presumably that means that Mr. Hess went looking for one while Jennings continued to wait to see if an elevator would show up - probably a few minutes anyway); and
Walking down 15 stories - 30 flights - of stairs from 23 to 8 (this would have taken several minutes at minimum).

Sorry, but there is simply no way that Jennings' story jibes at all with having been able to do all of those things and cover all of that ground in ~15 minutes.

Heck, that's even more ambitious than Galileo's ridiculous and wholly unsupported claims. And that takes some doing.



Only if you concede that Jennings was not there at 9:03 a.m., and only if you concede that he was wrong about there being nobody on the 23rd floor, and only if you concede that he is mistaken in his time line - since it is quite impossible otherwise.
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Could you please show me where you think Jennings and Hess were in you timeline when these events happened?
1) the second plane hit WTC 2
2) the collapse of WTC 2
3) the collapse of WTC 1
Also, when do you think they were rescued by the Fire Dept.?
 
Topic - bodies in the tower. Not the timeline which is being discussed elsewhere. Please - keep it on topic.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero
 
Barry Jennings couldn't see the dead bodies

But a fireman said don't look down...and it felt like they were stepping over dead bodies. My only question is....

Why would the fireman say don't look down? They weren't very high up...they were in the lobby.
 
JSSTyger said:
But a fireman said don't look down...and it felt like they were stepping over dead bodies. My only question is....

Why would the fireman say don't look down? They weren't very high up...they were in the lobby.
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How many died in WTC 7 again? Oh yeah, none.
 
Alt+F4 said:
How many died in WTC 7 again? Oh yeah, none.
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According to Alex Jones, one person died in WTC 7. This has been covered up, becasue they don't want much attention to this building.

The one death has been documented.
 
I'm going to JAQ-off here:

How do we know that the firefighter even said not to look down? How do we know if Barry's recollections of what the firefighter may or may not have said, is accurate?

Also, does anyone remember a video of two rescue workers being interviewed after WTC 7 fell saying "it was empty", which was ironically used to prove no firefighters were around to 'pull'?
 
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JSSTyger said:
But a fireman said don't look down...and it felt like they were stepping over dead bodies. My only question is....

Why would the fireman say don't look down? They weren't very high up...they were in the lobby.
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What kind of OP is this? Do you assume other readers can read your mind as to what you are talking about?

Please take the time to produce a better, more detailed, OP, with some pov, or at least a take on the matter.

Now...

Given that I, having been here long enough (unlike some), know what ridiculous bullcrap you are referring to,

OBVIOUSLY, the firefighter was in on it, and was telling Jennings not to look down because he would see the hundreds of bodies that died in the explosion that occurred at WTC7, that resulted in its collapse SEVEN ****ING HOURS LATER!!!!!!!

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
What kind of OP is this? Do you assume other readers can read your mind as to what you are talking about?

Please take the time to produce a better, more detailed, OP, with some pov, or at least a take on the matter.

Now...

Given that I, having been here long enough (unlike some), know what ridiculous bullcrap you are referring to,

OBVIOUSLY, the firefighter was in on it, and was telling Jennings not to look down because he would see the hundreds of bodies that died in the explosion that occurred at WTC7, that resulted in its collapse SEVEN ****ING HOURS LATER!!!!!!!

TAM:)
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Hahaha. Doesn't make too much sense does it?
 
Quad4_72 said:
Hahaha. Doesn't make too much sense does it?
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Not only does the whole "Barry Jennings" line of theory not make sense, but this JSS character cannot even take the time to produce anything but a barely coherent string of words as his OP.

Is this what is left of the Truth Movement? really?

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Not only does the whole "Barry Jennings" line of theory not make sense, but this JSS character cannot even take the time to produce anything but a barely coherent string of words as his OP.

Is this what is left of the Truth Movement? really?

TAM:)
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I find it in bad taste when posters want to discuss a specific topic but don't even have the common decency to post a link.
 
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