Mancow got waterboarded

JihadJane said:
That KSM was able to to endure torture because he preferred to die rather than be tortured again?

I must have misunderstood the point you made that point earlier, which seemed to be that he was able endure torture because he wanted to martyred. He must be a slow learner.
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How about the possibility, he endured the torture because he had no choice? Could it be that no matter what his answers were, they did not satisfy the interrogators?
 
soylent said:
Well, you exhale to not get water in your nose(and most people can do that for a good 10-15 seconds). The torture starts when you're trying to gasp for air while simultaneously inhaling a bunch of water.
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15 seconds? Can't you hold your breath longer than 15 seconds? Why would you need to gasp for air at 15 seconds?

Clearly waterboarding is not what people who minimize the idea it is torture think it is. The evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion waterboarding is more torturous than it looks.
 
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Drudgewire said:
Figures. :rolleyes:
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From the article:
"We went into this thinking it was going to be a joke," Muller said very quickly when we called him. "But it was not a joke—it was horrible. 'Hoax' is probably not the right word, but we did think it was going to be a joke."
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"It was a marine who did it," Muller said. "I don't know his training. Is he a professional interrogator? I don't think so. But he knew what to do. If I wanted to fake it, it would have lasted for six minutes—I lasted six seconds. I'm on the air, bud, I'm on the air." Then he hung up.
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TraneWreck said:
What they need to do to really drive the point home is actually get these right wing nutters to confess to something. As in, we won't stop until you say:

"The Bible is nonsense"
"Evolution is true"
"Republicans invented AIDS to destroy the black community"
"Republican homophobia stems from their own closeted queerness"

And so on.

Because this is the real point, it's not that the waterboarding makes you reveal hidden knowledge, it's that you will confess to anything.
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Excelent idea :), the only problem will be to get rightwinger to back up their claims and volunteer.
 
a_unique_person said:
After seeing Hitchens video, I thought there was something strange about this one, the mouth and nose weren't covered by the cloth, and he poured the water right down his throat. The end result was the same, it was just quicker because of the wrong placement of the cloth.
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I think Hitchens caved more quickly than this guy did, IIRC.
 
skeptigirl said:
Logic says waterboarding should be no different than dunking one's head underwater. The evidence demonstrates it is much more than that.
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What logic?

It is physically a very different interaction between body and water. Likewise, the whole "strapped to the board" bit is different.

I don't see where your logic comes from, in terms of trying to take two different things and assert them as the same. They even have different names.

This is dangerously close to "raising your child in the Church is child
abuse" or "anything that is discriminatory is apartheid in another form."

I wonder why you tried to equate the two.

DR
 
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skeptigirl said:
Let's see it. Drudge. Let's see a video of someone being waterboarded that thinks it's no big deal.
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I'd like to see anyone who underwent that claim it is "no big deal." I'd be seeing someone insanely tough, or a liar exposed.

Either example might be of interest.
 
I'm not arguing against waterboarding being torture, and haven't since Hitchens did it.

I'm just saying Mancow is a worthless publicity whore and this sort of stunt is right up his alley. The two aren't mutually exclusive you know.
 
skeptigirl said:
How about the possibility, he endured the torture because he had no choice? Could it be that no matter what his answers were, they did not satisfy the interrogators?
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THAT is the crux of the situation.
There's deception on the part of the victim, and bad principles on the part of the torturers.
Who's to tell the difference?
Saddam was ratted out by a person knowing the location of his hidey-hole, thru treating the informant as a person, but, telling him that in all likelihood his information would be of no value in the near future, as Saddam might be moved.
The informant can't be treated like a victim, in order to get -reliable- information.
And the seekers have to be flexible and -sane-!
 
I suggest anyone who thinks waterboarding isn't torture should have someone do it to them in a jailer v. prisoner circumstance. The vast majority won't, and still feel as though they have the authority on the subject to opine that it's "no big deal."
 
Waterboarding. It's not just for detainees anymore.

Kaj Larsen, journalist and former military officer, paid $800 to endure being "waterboarded" for a video on Current TV.

Christopher Hitchens, journalist, Vanity Fair.

Mike Guy, journalist, Playboy.com

Jesse Ventura, ex-wrestler, ex-Governor, full time 9/11 woo moonbat

Mancow, "Mancow's Morning Madhouse," formerly on Rock 103.5 and WKQX-FM

Next up: Paris Hilton agrees to be waterboarded, but only if her interrogator uses Perrier.
 
I could have sworn that Hannity DID agree to be waterboarded for charity?

I just don't think he finalized any details,yet. He DID say that he'd do it, though...
 
King of the Americas said:
I could have sworn that Hannity DID agree to be waterboarded for charity?

I just don't think he finalized any details,yet. He DID say that he'd do it, though...
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Yeah, he agreed to it over a month ago and has been mum about it since. There was a discussion about it here.

Hannity didn't have the stones to follow through with, as BAC puts it, a little temporary discomfort.
 
Upchurch said:
Yeah, he agreed to it over a month ago and has been mum about it since. There was a discussion about it here.

Hannity didn't have the stones to follow through with, as BAC puts it, a little temporary discomfort.
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He just hasn't been offered enough money for his charity of choice...

$1000 is chump change.

Pony up a million, and Hannity will admit waterboarding is torture.
 
Puppycow said:
Do you feel sorry for KSM? Do you think he suffered more than the suffering he caused?
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"Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein."

I leave it up to you to understand why the quote is relevant.
 
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