no serial numbers were identified from flight 77

[Justin39640]

Show me verifibale proof that the landing gear is from AA77.


DNA, RADAR and FDR will not be acccepted as proof.

did another 757 hit the pentagon leaving its gear behind?

the landing gear on a tomahawk missile is much sma..... o wait NM lol

 

[lapman]

I have sent an FOIA request to the NTSB to get information on serial numbers needed for a criminal investigation.

Why did you do that since that info belongs to the FBI? Remember that the NTSB was providing the requested assistance?

IIRC, others have already tried a FOIA request from the NTSB and the answer was to contact the FBI.

 

[BenBurch]

Please stop the lies. I have proof that it exist.

If you would read the posts on the thread you would have seen the documnet is being reviewed by agencies to declassify it.

Uh huh. So could the contents of a message that proved absolutely nothing whatsoever of the jetwash you try to pass off as information here. All you can prove is that you filed an FOIA. And all you will ever prove, too.

 

[BenBurch]

Fabulous stuff! Literally.


What sort of mind can produce such a sentence?

"DNA, RADAR, and FDR will not be accepted as proof."

Just fabulous.

Again, proof in a criminal matter is ANYTHING that the judge allows and the jury believes. Could even be WRONG, but legally it is PROOF.

 

[apathoid]

I promised myself I was done in this thread but now I see that ULTIMA has resorted to just making crap up. Serial numbers are only required when an air crash is not an accident? How convenient, in light of my demands for previous examples of such matching(which have been responded to by cricket chirps). The question I have of ULTIMA, is whether he actually believes this stuff that he's pulling out of thin air?

OK, ULTIMA - I'll give you a shot to prove yourself. Pan Am 103. Serial numbers. Go.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Why did you do that since that info belongs to the FBI? Remember that the NTSB was providing the requested assistance?

Who has the expertise on aircraft parts and serial numbers, the FBI or the NTSB?

IIRC, others have already tried a FOIA request from the NTSB and the answer was to contact the FBI.

They asked for the specific serial numbers, i asked about serial numbers being used to ID a plane in a criminal investigation.

 

[ULTIMA1]

did another 757 hit the pentagon leaving its gear behind?

Let the record show you still cannot post evidence the wheel is from AA77.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Uh huh. So could the contents of a message that proved absolutely nothing whatsoever of the jetwash you try to pass off as information here. All you can prove is that you filed an FOIA. And all you will ever prove, too.

You really are scared of anything that disagrees with what you were told happened.

 

[ULTIMA1]

OK, ULTIMA - I'll give you a shot to prove yourself. Pan Am 103. Serial numbers. Go.

No problem. Anything else i can get for you?

http://www.montereypeninsulaairport.com/103reportcontents.html
Aircraft type: Boeing 747-121
Constructor's serial number: 19646

The serial numbers of these
containers were respectively AVE 4041 PA and AVN 7511 PA.

 

[apathoid]

No problem. Anything else i can get for you?

http://www.montereypeninsulaairport.com/103reportcontents.html
Aircraft type: Boeing 747-121
Constructor's serial number: 19646

The serial numbers of these
containers were respectively AVE 4041 PA and AVN 7511 PA.

What I asked for is the serial number matching report, and photos of serial numbered parts which positively IDs the plane. What you gave me is the serial number for the entire airplane and 2 cargo containers the suitcase bomb may or may not have been in. Cargo containers, unlike the FDR, are not a part of the airplane anymore than a suitcase or a golfbag.

In a word....fail.

 

[bje]

I am getting information from the NTSB to suport this.



Why should i show you information when you and others will not show what i ask for?

Serial numbers are irrelevant for identification of an aircraft when the aircraft is known. You would have known that if you knew what the NTSB actually said.

 

[ULTIMA1]

So at present you have zero evidence to support it?

Just my education and experience.

So why can you not provide the serial numbers for the plane part in the photograph?

Why can't you provide the serial numbers i have been asking for since being in this forum?

 

[ULTIMA1]

Then please explain your inability to find out what wreckage was inside the Pentagon.

I have been doing research but the FAA will not release serial numbers for the planes.

Also because no one can show verifiable proof that the wreakage is from AA77.

 

[bje]

I have been doing research but the FAA will not release serial numbers for the planes.

One does not need serial numbers to identify a known aircraft. You would have known this if you had paid attention to NTSB investigations and knew anything about those investigations.

Also because no one can show verifiable proof that the wreckage is from AA77.

You have been able to ask since 9/11. Why do you refuse to ask the relevant people?

 

[aggle-rithm]

I have been doing research but the FAA will not release serial numbers for the planes.

Also because no one can show verifiable proof that the wreakage is from AA77.

I think you should know that willful ignorance is not considered a marketable skill.

 

[Reactor drone]

Why can't you provide the serial numbers i have been asking for since being in this forum?

As I understand it,it is your belief that planes are identified by serial numbers in a criminal investigation.

No one else here seems to think that that is the case(with the exception of FDRs,which you don't believe are parts of planes) so why do you demand that others provide proof for your beliefs?

 

[stateofgrace]

Just my education and experience.

Which is also supported by zero evidence.

Why can't you provide the serial numbers i have been asking for since being in this forum?

The reason is simple, the same reason you cannot provide the serial numbers for plane parts from Pam Am 103.

To date you have claimed that the serial numbers of plane parts are used to identify the planes in criminal investigations; you have failed to back this with any evidence. You have failed to show that Pam Am 103 was identified using the serial numbers from parts.

You have failed to show a single example where plane parts serial numbers are used to identify the plane in a criminal investigation. You cannot validate your demands for asking the same of Flight 77. Unless you show that it is standard practice during criminal investigations, your demands for the serial numbers from the parts of Flight 77 are completely pointless.

Posturing, gesturing and calling people liars because they ask you to validate your line of reasoning means nothing on this forum. You can demand these serial numbers all you want, kid yourself that you have scored some points but the reality is you have no point, your entire line of reasoning ( if there is any) is completely and utterly distorted. Unless you can cite a single example from anywhere that serial numbers of plane parts are used to identify planes during a criminal investigation and or back up your original claim that they are, then you are simply blowing smoke.

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

How many parts need to be found to claim an entire airliner crashed somewhere? Especially in a crash where supposedly enough human DNA remained so that all but one were identified. And do they just need to be parts of the same make of plane? For instance do you only need one engine of a plane that had two? How many engines were found out of four planes?

Some people here imply that a recovered blackbox identifies the plane. Is that all that is needed?

Have they been found at the towers and if not are those planes not identified yet?

 

[funk de fino]

How many parts need to be found to claim an entire airliner crashed somewhere? Especially in a crash where supposedly enough human DNA remained so that all but one were identified. And do they just need to be parts of the same make of plane? For instance do you only need one engine of a plane that had two? How many engines were found out of four planes?

Some people here imply that a recovered blackbox identifies the plane. Is that all that is needed?

Have they been found at the towers and if not are those planes not identified yet?

Those 6 questions display your ignorance on the topic. Perhaps you should leave it alone.

There are many here who know more about aircraft and serial numbers than you ever will. Unfortunately you are unwilling to learn from them and would rather listen to liars in the 911TM.

You rail at others for staying here and posting, yet we all know you have been here in many other guises prior to this. That is far more pathetic than the debunkers you spew your spittle at.

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

Those 6 questions display your ignorance on the topic. Perhaps you should leave it alone.

Perhaps you could answer even one?

There are many here who know more about aircraft and serial numbers than you ever will. Unfortunately you are unwilling to learn from them and would rather listen to liars in the 911TM.

So what's taking them so long?

You rail at others for staying here and posting, yet we all know you have been here in many other guises prior to this. That is far more pathetic than the debunkers you spew your spittle at.

Oh really? Care to back that conspiracy theory up?

How many parts?