Italy rather than Spain and I'm sold.
BNP leaflet through my door
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Italy rather than Spain and I'm sold.
Yep have to agree with this though for some reason no matter what time of year I go to Edinburgh it is freezing cold in the early hours of the morning. Maybe just my luck.
chillzero
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Sitting sheltered from the scottish rain here, I'm going to try and bring us all back on topic a little.
I'm certain our current immigration policies are having some kind of effect on the NHS, and employment as well. I don't know how detrimental or beneficial, but from my own experience I haven't seen much positive effect. Now, I'm certainly not supporting a move to remove immigrants, rather than a review of how we manage intake, but it doesn't seem to me that we should simply dismiss it, and definitely not by suggesting that we have some foreign doctors and that will right the balance of the toll on the NHS.
Well, to be fair, that's not exactly convincing evidence that either the NHS is not under strain, or that the current immigration situation is not making it worse - whichever is the tact you were trying to take with that.
I'm certain our current immigration policies are having some kind of effect on the NHS, and employment as well. I don't know how detrimental or beneficial, but from my own experience I haven't seen much positive effect. Now, I'm certainly not supporting a move to remove immigrants, rather than a review of how we manage intake, but it doesn't seem to me that we should simply dismiss it, and definitely not by suggesting that we have some foreign doctors and that will right the balance of the toll on the NHS.
I don't think racism was ever too far away, though.
I'd like to see an independently assembled cost benefit calculation.
It strikes me that the immigrants that people seem to be complaining about particularly are migrant workers. These tend to be young and comparatively healthy and so would seem to present less of a strain on the NHS (with the possible exception of maternity services). What we don't have is a large number of arrivals who are in the group who get the largest per captia benefit from the NHS, the elderly and/or chronically ill.
The economic migrants are, in the main, paying their taxes and NI contributions and so may be net contributors to NHS coffers.
I've searched the internet with my admittedly poor googlind skills and can't find an attempt at an independent quantitative study
geni
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If you weren't really planning on sleeping. Daylight hours are far too long.
If Scotland had England's population density then it would have a population of ~30.9 million
Great catch! There seems to be little support amongst the armed forces for the BNP. Their core voter base must I think be old ladies who are easily afrighted and tend to come packaged with a bit of casual racism to start with. If so, once that generation dies off, they'll be knackered.
Rolfe
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Blackout blinds are your friends. Srsly. Or just get used to sleeping in light.
Hey, steady on! No need to get carried away. 12 million or so, with repopulation of areas depopulated in the 18th and 19th centuries, might be nice though.
Rolfe.
If Kazakhstan had England's population density, it would have 1.19 Billion people.
It actually has 16.4 million.
England is severely overpopulated.
With English people.
Not that I'm criticising or anything, but England is severely in need of an emigration programme.
I suggest starting with all politicians (and yes, we Scots can throw a few out , too) and anyone who votes BNP.
In fact, if they throw out all the politicians, they might eject anyone who is remotely interested in politics too as they'll have no residual function anyway.
Then the civilised and sane English men & women can get back to gardening and moaning about the weather, which is just where we Scots like them.
As for immigration- well, there are a bunch of Pakistanis in Scotland- but to my knowledge none of them ever arrived at the head of an army. That would be the English again. (Of course we did have the odd wander south ourselves, from time to time...)
It actually has 16.4 million.
England is severely overpopulated.
With English people.
Not that I'm criticising or anything, but England is severely in need of an emigration programme.
I suggest starting with all politicians (and yes, we Scots can throw a few out , too) and anyone who votes BNP.
In fact, if they throw out all the politicians, they might eject anyone who is remotely interested in politics too as they'll have no residual function anyway.
Then the civilised and sane English men & women can get back to gardening and moaning about the weather, which is just where we Scots like them.
As for immigration- well, there are a bunch of Pakistanis in Scotland- but to my knowledge none of them ever arrived at the head of an army. That would be the English again. (Of course we did have the odd wander south ourselves, from time to time...)
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Not so. If England had South Korea's population density it would have a population of ~64 million.
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A lot of those areas are of questionable vability in a modern economy. Any large scale population increases are likely to be city driven.
Rolfe
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Oh, stop being so boringly practical!
Half seriously, though, I can imagine a more long-term future relying less on urbanisation and making communities in more outlying areas viable again. Even now, the problem is that many rational settlement locations were depopulated before the advent of modern services. If you look at similar locations in other countries that have been continuously inhabited, the services have generally got there one way or another. Re-establishing communities that are no more than piles of stones is a bit harder though - especially given modern planning law, that sees these as not being settlements, and so rural wasteland to be protected.
I saw a bit of a BNP PPB this evening - I gather they said that millions of people were going to vote for them. That would be the lies again, then....
Rolfe.
Half seriously, though, I can imagine a more long-term future relying less on urbanisation and making communities in more outlying areas viable again. Even now, the problem is that many rational settlement locations were depopulated before the advent of modern services. If you look at similar locations in other countries that have been continuously inhabited, the services have generally got there one way or another. Re-establishing communities that are no more than piles of stones is a bit harder though - especially given modern planning law, that sees these as not being settlements, and so rural wasteland to be protected.
I saw a bit of a BNP PPB this evening - I gather they said that millions of people were going to vote for them. That would be the lies again, then....
Rolfe.
In the last European elections, the racialist baskets polled 5% and around 800,000 votes. So perhaps not millions of votes this time but perhaps a million particularly if a significant proportion of the 2.5 million who voted UKIP switch to the BNP
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Since I am still too new to these forums to post a link, please look on YouTube for "Muslim Demographics". It will be the video with the big red flag.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to protect your heritage and your way of life from being overrun by another culture.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to protect your heritage and your way of life from being overrun by another culture.
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There is, however, a problem when you use the word 'protect' (insinuating that Asians and Blacks will naturally wish to burn down the Dome and build a terrorist training camp in its ashes). There is also a problem when you think the best way to do this is join a racist, holocaust denying party (I don't assume you are a member, but I do assume you are a slight apologist).
I don't see Labour or the Conservatives wishing to see the entire culture of the UK being eradicated, only to be replaced by the flag of Sharia. And for all that different cultures add to our own (Ever since the arrival of the Windrush our capital city has become defined as the home to all the world), well, that's to be welcomed isn't it?
There is when your "way of life" is despicable.
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The methods of cultural genocide do not have to be violent, or even orchestrated.
You can simply be "bred out", over time.
I am proud of my Saxon heritage, just as a black man may be proud of his African heritage.
I would prefer my son marry a white woman.
This does not make me a racist.
It is not immoral to want your culture to flourish and prosper over other cultures.
I know nothing of the BNP other than what I have read here, and do not support it or oppose it.
I am an American patriot.
Here, we have the freedom to be racist and deny the holocaust, regardless of how much others might disagree with our viewpoint. If enough people agree with the point of view, we are free to enact laws enforcing those views.
You can simply be "bred out", over time.
I am proud of my Saxon heritage, just as a black man may be proud of his African heritage.
I would prefer my son marry a white woman.
This does not make me a racist.
It is not immoral to want your culture to flourish and prosper over other cultures.
I know nothing of the BNP other than what I have read here, and do not support it or oppose it.
I am an American patriot.
Here, we have the freedom to be racist and deny the holocaust, regardless of how much others might disagree with our viewpoint. If enough people agree with the point of view, we are free to enact laws enforcing those views.
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ProdigalGuru
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Cooler heads prevail
"Despicable" as defined by who? You?
I do not remember voting on this definition.
FYI- History was written by the victors.
"Despicable" as defined by who? You?
I do not remember voting on this definition.
FYI- History was written by the victors.
Using this type of argument - why should I - someone with a much older "heritage" in this country accept the Saxon invasion of my culture and heritage?
Sorry but it is absolutely ridiculous and sheer nonsense to make the romantic appeals to some idealised and therefore never-existed past "cultures" and so on, especially so in the UK given our history. The UK today is the result of many successful and not-so-successful "invasions", just as the UK of tomorrow will be.
It usually does.
From my viewpoint it is when that culture will not let me live as I want to.