Naudet Documentary On Google Video

KreeL said:
Oh wait. But I DO understand how documentaries are made.

Later in the afternoon, Gedeon just happens to be focusing his Sony on WTC7. POOF! Amazing indeed. That's how documentaries are made!
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I've been to 4chan, lolcats, and a picnic and that's the dumbest thing I've seen on the internet.

You have two guys filming a supposed documentary about a probie fireman that happen to be embedded in the nearest firehouse north of the WTC complex. Their goal, as stated, was to film the probie fighting his first fire. Long wait, it turns out, because they never get THAT footage. On the morning of 9/11 Jules goes out with 16 firemen to investigate an 'odor of gas' call. The probie doesn't go, he gets to watch the firehouse. Oh well, Jules needs the practice (his words). When he arrives on the scene he lines up the north tower perfectly dead center and remains on his mark for a time. No traffic, no interference, no firemen talking to him, he just waits. Plane noise, he swings his camera perfectly and already has the north tower centered. BULLSEYE! Gedeon is on another street catching people wheeling around and looking up. His camera was also ready. Nearly 3 seconds of 'man, they're going to love it when I pull this shot out!'.
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If I mention Ticsh again you're going to google it right? I mean you obviously don't know what it means.

Then Jules rides with Pfeifer to the north tower. Takes less than five minutes - closer to two. Asks Pfeifer if he can enter a potentially dangerous situation, and Pfeifer doesn't hesitate and invites Spielburg, errr Jules inside.
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Once again you show you have no idea how films are made. Not only that but you don't understand why rescue workers have sirens.


All told? You have two guys when the day is over, that capture the first strike, a reaction to the first strike, the second strike, both twin tower collapses, the only admitted film from inside the north tower, AND the collapse of WTC7. Not only do THEY survive, but everyone from Duane St. survives. They hug at the end, and all is well.
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So Engine 7 was in on it? I mean that's quite a coincidence...



So cool. But PLEASE watch the movie. They give it away several times leading up to the morning of 9/11. They knew in advance. Pure and simple. They followed a script and had foreknowledge of what would happen, where, and when. No rocket science here, folks. You can see it for yourselves.
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I have watched it and between that and your posts I've concluded you have no idea what you're talking about or you are a troll.


Now then, are you going to address the other points or keep hopping around?
 
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orphia nay said:
We debated the Naudet documentary with Leslie Raphael (where Kreel may be getting his twoofiness from) for 9 pages from 2006-07. Kreel, do everyone a favour and read that thread instead of rehashing things here.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58562
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Wow! Some guy named Ray Ubinger totally ownd some guy named gravy in that thread.

Good find, orphia. It's hard to believe none of you learned from an older thread. You obviously didn't rewatch the movie.
 
KreeL said:
Do you understand what 'panned around the lobby with his camera' means?

He showed it, alright. No soot. No fire. No dead bodies. This was inside the north tower lobby within 5 minutes of the plane impact. No soot. No fire. No dead bodies. Evidence of an explosion for sure, simply NO SOOT, NO FIRE. Evidently (without even watching it yet), the new propaganda piece has already been debunked 8 years ago. Not a surprise - unless you are.:eek:
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ummm.... the plane didn't crash at lobby level.


Tell me something - you or Bill ... these guys were filming the firefighters ... men who lost many colleagues and peers and friends on this day. Have any of the surviving firefighter come out and expressed their outrage at being used as patsies, setting up a fake scene in order to capture the events? You state that the gas leak was a ruse, and that some of the documentary scenes were setup. How many firefighters support that claim?
 
Embedding agents with honest hard working people just doing their jobs is not a hard thing to do. Are you implying that the NYFD was in on it?
 
KreeL said:
Ah yes...the coincidences just keep mounting up. I guess for those that rah-rah behind the OCT, it just comes with the territory.

Jules waits in the middle of the street with the top 30% of the north tower perfectly centered for MoneyShot I. No traffic hindering the shot because they have it all roped off for him. No firemen standing in the way.
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You think its suspect that they closed streets off to inspect the manhole for gas odor/gas leaking?
you do know that a spark can ignite gas?
you do know metal grinding metal produces sparks?
you do know a manhole and its cover are made of steel?



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" AP Photo 15 months ago
Grand Rapids firefighter battle a fire after a natural gas explosion leveled a building in Eastown and blew out windows in nearby businesses. DTE Energy Co. spokesman John Austerberry says an employee of the utility company's MichCon subsidiary was checking on a reported gas leak when the explosion happened. He says the employee was among the injured".



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"A Queens mom was killed Friday night when her house exploded - sparking a roaring inferno - while Con Edison was investigating a gas leak, officials said.

The utility worker who had just lifted a manhole cover was injured in the earthshaking blast, which flattened the home and sent debris and flames flying into the air".
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local...house_explodes_in_queens.html#ixzz0GKKjGzPC&B



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"BOZEMAN, Mont. - Investigators say a gas leak, responsible for leveling a quarter block of downtown Bozeman and killing a woman, was detected in advance by several people -- but nobody called to alert authorities."

So kreel would you block the street off and be nervous if you were there lifting the manhole cover?
or would you let passing cars and trucks throw cigarette butts in there to set off any gas oder?

OF COURSE THEY BLOCK THE STREETS OFF!
OF COURSE THE CHIEF IS NERVOUS, HE KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN!

Its time that kreel gets real.
 
chillzero said:
ummm.... the plane didn't crash at lobby level.


Tell me something - you or Bill ... these guys were filming the firefighters ... men who lost many colleagues and peers and friends on this day. Have any of the surviving firefighter come out and expressed their outrage at being used as patsies, setting up a fake scene in order to capture the events? You state that the gas leak was a ruse, and that some of the documentary scenes were setup. How many firefighters support that claim?
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No, because they are simple dumb sheeple like the rest of us (except for geniuses bill and kreel).

TAM;)
 
KreeL said:
Embedding agents with honest hard working people just doing their jobs is not a hard thing to do. Are you implying that the NYFD was in on it?
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No, I'm not. Perhaps you should read what I asked you again.
 
So did they find an 'odor of gas'?...or not? As serious as an 'odor of gas' could turn out (as pointed out above), they sure abandoned that scene in a hurry.

Edited to add that I would also like to point out that they allowed Jules to enter a potentially deadly area. Would that be against regulations or something?
 
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KreeL said:
So did they find an 'odor of gas'?...or not? As serious as an 'odor of gas' could turn out (as pointed out above), they sure abandoned that scene in a hurry.

Edited to add that I would also like to point out that they allowed Jules to enter a potentially deadly area. Would that be against regulations or something?
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uh ..... yeah ... try again. I've bolded some bits to make them more 'genius friendly'.

these guys were filming the firefighters ... men who lost many colleagues and peers and friends on this day. Have any of the surviving firefighter come out and expressed their outrage at being used as patsies, setting up a fake scene in order to capture the events? You state that the gas leak was a ruse, and that some of the documentary scenes were setup. How many firefighters support that claim?
 
chillzero said:
uh ..... yeah ... try again. I've bolded some bits to make them more 'genius friendly'.

these guys were filming the firefighters ... men who lost many colleagues and peers and friends on this day. Have any of the surviving firefighter come out and expressed their outrage at being used as patsies, setting up a fake scene in order to capture the events? You state that the gas leak was a ruse, and that some of the documentary scenes were setup. How many firefighters support that claim?
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I would surmise that they would if they found out the 'odor of gas' call was simply a ruse to film the first strike. Have you told them yet?:rolleyes:
 
KreeL said:
I would surmise that they would if they found out the 'odor of gas' call was simply a ruse to film the first strike. Have you told them yet?:rolleyes:
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I'm not the one claiming it was all a setup. I also would assume that if this had been a ruse, the firefighters would have plenty to say about it.

So, with us in agreement on that much, care to answer the questions?
 
So did you tell them yet, or not? I assume no. This could be the first they've heard of it. Perhaps they forgot about it because of 9/11 happening and all. Sort of like the Naudet's. To my knowledge they never mention it again in the film.
 
So was there an actual odor of gas or not? If you don't know the answer, then it appears to have been a ruse, since that city block didn't blow up.
 
KreeL said:
So did they find an 'odor of gas'?...or not? As serious as an 'odor of gas' could turn out (as pointed out above), they sure abandoned that scene in a hurry.
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you seriously don't know?
how many times you watched it?

KreeL said:
Edited to add that I would also like to point out that they allowed Jules to enter a potentially deadly area. Would that be against regulations or something?
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don't you think the rules were set before the start of filming the movie?
 
KreeL said:
Wow! Some guy named Ray Ubinger totally ownd some guy named gravy in that thread.

Good find, orphia. It's hard to believe none of you learned from an older thread. You obviously didn't rewatch the movie.
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You obviously either can't read or are so lost in 9/11 denial that you are not worth discussing this with, since your mind is made up. Good luck bringing the Naudet "shills" to justice... you'll need it - I've never seen a twoofer win a court case yet.
 
KreeL said:
So was there an actual odor of gas or not? If you don't know the answer, then it appears to have been a ruse, since that city block didn't blow up.
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Why don't you ask the FDNY yourself? Since you don't believe anything cited by a debunker, get it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

I'd expect that given the accident they just saw, they'd do a very quick check and then move on to the WTC. You know....bird in the hand...two in the bush. You familiar with the idiom?
 
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