The 25 fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah chapter 53

[DOC]

and disney world is evidence that Mickey mouse is real? Come on DOC, I know you don't believe this argument.

Well you are wrong. The huge St. Peter's basilica in the heart of the Roman Empire and over 500 miles from Jerusalem didn't get there by accident. Some huge event caused it to happen.

And as far as I know no one has ever laid down their life for Mickey Mouse. And nobody (like Thomas Jefferson) has ever said that the sayings of Mickey Mouse are the most moral and sublime the world has ever know.

 

[joobz]

Well you are wrong. The huge St. Peter's basilica in the heart of the Roman Empire and over 500 miles from Jerusalem didn't get there by accident. Some huge event caused it to happen.

So you also beleive that Mickey Mouse is real?

 

[paximperium]

Something huge must have happened.

Very huge

HUGE!!!

 

[Cleon]

Well you are wrong. The huge St. Peter's basilica in the heart of the Roman Empire and over 500 miles from Jerusalem didn't get there by accident. Some huge event caused it to happen.

I was going to address this, but paximperium did so beautifully.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Wouldn't that be cold reading writ large?


"I'm seeing a nation beginning with 'I'. Does this mean anything to anyone?"

Iran? Iraq? India?

 

[DOC]

[qimg]http://www.theodora.com/wfb/photos/saudi_arabia/grand_mosque_mecca_soudi_arabia_photo_2.jpg[/qimg] Something huge must have happened.
[qimg]http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/00/1b/54/fc/giant-buddha.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://www.holtzendorff.com/vacations/israel/images/GizaPyramids1.jpg[/qimg]Very huge
[qimg]http://employees.oneonta.edu/farberas/arth/Images/109images/greek_archaic_classical/parthenon/parthenon.jpg[/qimg]...

But none of the above were named after someone who denied the founder to a lone woman..

And the fact that St. Peters basilica ended up in the heart of the Roman Empire far away from Jerusalem is not proof of Christianity it is just one more piece of evidence to add to the other pieces of evidence -- like the prophecy of Isaiah for example.

 

[Hokulele]

But none of the above were named after someone who denied the founder to a lone woman.

So? St. Peter's basilica isn't the only remaining member of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. I would say that that is far far more impressive.

And the fact that St. Peters basilica ended up in the heart of the Roman Empire far away from Jerusalem is not proof of Christianity it is just one more piece of evidence to add to the other pieces of evidence -- like the prophecy of Isaiah for example.

Yep, it is evidence of people's ability to believe in silly things. It is not evidence of Jesus' resurrection.

 

[paximperium]

But none of the above were named after someone who denied the founder to a lone woman..

So what? The current St. Peter Basilica was build in the 16th century. I'm trying to figure out if you have a point at all or are just out flaunt your silliness to the lurkers

And the fact that St. Peters basilica ended up in the heart of the Roman Empire far away from Jerusalem is not proof of Christianity it is just one more piece of evidence to add to the other pieces of evidence -- like the prophecy of Isaiah for example.

No. Not at all. It is evidence that Christians like big monuments to flaunt their power and arrogance especially if they are in power.

 

[tsig]

But none of the above were named after someone who denied the founder to a lone woman..

And the fact that St. Peters basilica ended up in the heart of the Roman Empire far away from Jerusalem is not proof of Christianity it is just one more piece of evidence to add to the other pieces of evidence -- like the prophecy of Isaiah for example.

So god hates Romans and that's why the Empire fell?

 

[paximperium]

So god hates Romans and that's why the Empire fell?

What's funnier is that Rome fell centuries prior to the current St Peter Basilica which was built over the old dilapidated one in the 16th century in Renaissance Italy.

Even his attempt at a claim is wrong.

 

[joobz]

But none of the above were named after someone who denied the founder to a lone woman..

ah yes. A beautiful, ornate church built instead of feeding and taking care of the poor. I agree it's a great example of the priorities of the christian church. Priorities that one would expect from a religion that condones slavery.

And the fact that St. Peters basilica ended up in the heart of the Roman Empire far away from Jerusalem is not proof of Christianity it is just one more piece of evidence to add to the other pieces of evidence -- like the prophecy of Isaiah for example.

All of which is not actually evidence but a string of non sequitors. But you know that.

 

[temporalillusion]

Actually St. Peter's brings up something I thought about the other day..

Christians often point to the great achievements of past Christians to lend credence to the idea that Christianity is true.. Amazing buildings, stunning artwork, literature, music, even scientific discoveries.

And really, that's the kind of thing I would expect from someone who follows the TRUE god.. their art should be better than anything else, their science should be better, their music better.. followers of the TRUE god (assuming that following god provides benefits) should be at the absolute top of pretty much every discipline imaginable.

And for a time you could probably say they were.. but was that because of whichever god? Or is it a case of a country winning more medals just because they have more people to pick from.. if most people in a society follow a god, and that society is relatively wealthy compared to all others, well of course the best stuff is going to come from that society.

Compare that today. When I walk into a Christian book store, the art is cheezy, the literature is poor, the music is ok but not the best (I happen to like a lot of worship music, but still).. modern feats of architecture, of exploration, of achievement, don't strike me as particularly Christian (or any other denomination).

Anyway, just a thought I had the other day.

 

[Ladewig]

But none of the above were named after someone who denied the founder to a lone woman..

That has got to be the stupidest argument for Christianity that I have ever come across! St Peter's is named after a Disciple therefore Christianity is valid.


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We're Jews. We're always aware of impending death, because there is always some bat-**** crazy-ass fundamentalist doing his best to exterminate us.

Can you name one?

I still want an explanation of what you were implying here.
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[Lucian]

Well you are wrong. The huge St. Peter's basilica in the heart of the Roman Empire and over 500 miles from Jerusalem didn't get there by accident. Some huge event caused it to happen.

Yes, and St. George is the patron saint of England, and England was the heart of the British Empire, and the British Empire was the largest empire the world has ever known. That doesn't mean St. George slew a dragon. What's your point exactly? Does the Parthenon prove the existence of Athena?

 

[paximperium]

What's your point exactly? Does the Parthenon prove the existence of Athena?

As per DOC logic, it obviously does.

 

[Wildy]

Why does someone who does not believe in God use God believing Jews websites to argue against my pro God posts?

Yeah, how dare he use religious websites as sources in a religious discussion. It's just pitiful isn't it?

 

[paximperium]

Yeah, how dare he use religious websites as sources in a religious discussion. It's just pitiful isn't it?

You are now on the Jewish Hitlist.

 

[slingblade]

Let's not forget that DOC's arguments appeal in huge measure to ad populum. It's hardly surprising he thinks a big, expensive building proves his imaginary sky-dad exists.

I mean, he actually thinks that because some guy compiled 100 names in a book and said these were the most influential people ev-er, that act alone makes them all most influential to everyone, everywhere, everywhen. It must be true! This book says it is!

 

[DOC]

5) Native Americans are better off because of Christians coming to the new world.


8) Evolution being "absurd"

Now for the "finish the bottle" offenses
1) DOC admitting that his logic was faulty

Well I was hesitant to address the (conscious or unconscious) derail attempt that occurred in post #3 of this thread because I didn't want it to sabotage the thread. Now that the thread has covered most of the main points of the thread's topic I will address some of the falsehoods.

Post 5) What I believe I said was there are no more tribal wars in the US and that no Native American has died in a tribal war in about 100 years. I also said that the cannibalism and human sacrifice in South America and Central America has ended. Obviously those who died through disease and wars with the settlers are not better off. So I did not say what you said I said.

Post 8) Don't believe I ever said Evolution is absurd. I believe I said abiogenesis (life coming from non-life over time) is absurd and has never been proved. In other words a simple living cell coming from non-living material has never been proved.

And for the last one, I never admitted my logic was faulty. I might have made a mistake or two or overlooked or misinterpreted something in my 3000+ posts but to my memory I never said my logic was faulty.

I think you should apologize for your errors in your personal (off topic) attack.

Some people need to realize that if your going to attack me personally or otherwise you better be accurate because there is a good chance your going to have to prove what you say.

 

[DOC]

Let's not forget that DOC's arguments appeal in huge measure to ad populum. It's hardly surprising he thinks a big, expensive building proves his imaginary sky-dad exists.

If people read the other thread I mentioned in post #1 of this thread they will see that the great majority of my arguments do not deal with ad populum, and of course your second sentence is false. I really don't think you believe it either.

I think most people who have followed my threads are starting to see that most of these attack posts don't paint an accurate picture of me or my posts. The good news is that my posts are out there and anyone who is willing to take the time can read them.