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Truthers and the FDNY

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ULTIMA1 said:
Guess you never heard of a rescue unit?
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Are you accusing firemen of being part of a criminal act? It appears so.

How many people would it take to prepare what would be the largest demolition every by maybe a factor of 100?

In NYC a Rescue unit might be 5 to a dozen firemen. Here is "Rescue 5", my local rescue unit, a crew that lost people on 9/11 and would pull me out of a crushed car if necessary


You appear to have no actual expertise in anything related to 9/11.

Do you want to be a CIA agent when you grow up?
 
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ULTIMA1 said:
So tell me, do rescue units have the knowledge and equipmet to cut a steel beam, YES or NO?
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No. Not a structural beam in a WTC tower. Maybe one and with hours to days of work. WTC1, 2, or 7 would be the largest controlled demolition in human history by a factor of maybe 100.

You are accusing firemen of being part of a criminal cover up and providing no evidence to support that accusation.
 
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members of rescue 3 who died on 9/11
http://www.fdnyrescue3.com/

Rescue 1
http://www.rescue1fdny.com/about.html

They are apart of FDNY. They are firefighters.

Rescue 1 is part of SOC (Special Operations Command). SOC, is under the command by a chief officer, who is in charge and is
responsible for the five rescue companies, seven squad companies, the marine units, the TAC units, and Haz-Mat 1.
The members of a rescue company are not just assigned. For a firefighter or officer to get assigned to a rescue, he or she must go through
an interview with the captain of the company. The member will then go through a trial period in which he will be evaluated on many fire and
emergency situations and tools. At the end of the period, the captain will then make the decision on whether or not to accept the member
as a rescue firefighter.


The members of this elite unit are not only professional firefighters, but are capable of operating at building collapses, rigging, shoring,
confined space operations, elevator rescues, subway and train incidents,automobile accidents for use of their Hurst Tool for extrication,
and dive jobs (SCUBA). The members of R-1 are HART (High Angle Rope Technician) certified. This is used during scaffolding
emergencies or any high-angle rescue. R-1 also responds to aircraft emergencies at LaGuardia and Kennedy International Airports. The
members are trained for shipboard firefighting and many are haz-mat certified.
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equipment carried:
The equipment
that is carried on the rig consists of a wide variety: The HURST System, Maxi-Force air bag system, Low Pressure air bags, Oxy-acetylene
MAPP Gas, Explosivemeter MSA, Oxygen Indicators, CO meters and tubes, Gastech GX-91 and Dynamation meters, Geiger Counter and
Dosimeters, Thermal Imaging Cameras, The Stanley System, a Chain Saw, Pavement Breakers, Circular Saw and accessories, Air
Hammers by Paratech and Ajax, the Cobra Hammer, the Hilti Hammer, Scott Ext., and Air Cart System, Rescom Communications Ropes,
ROCO High-Angle Rope equip., Griphoist for rigging, a Winch, an A-Frame and Light Tower, Trench Jacks and Z-Irons, Leak Sealing Kit,
KED, SKED, and Long boards, and a Stokes Basket for patient transort, High-Rise Kits, Exposure Suits for pier fires, SCUBA equip., the
Lyle Gun, the TAC Stick, the Ramset/ Hilti-gun, Ring Cutter, Whizzer Saw and Sawzall, first-aid equip., and resuscitators, electric comp., and
Generators, an inflatable boat for water operations, an Oxygen Cascade System, Air Shores and Air Struts, Tripod and Rollgliss Kits, Air
Nailers, Switlick Platform and Sled. This is only a glimpse of what the rescue rig carries. There are also many hand tools, such as forcible
entry tools and other big pieces of equipment I have yet to list. No wonder why the rescue rig is called The Big Tool Box and the firefighters
and officers of the five rescue companies are elite! As im pretty sure you see, whatever the problem, Rescue will have the tool for it....
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please show me where they take down buildings?
 
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ULTIMA1 said:
Do all rescue units carry the same ? Sorry i can answer that,, NO.
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So, it sounds like all units then don't carry these mythical beam cutters that you are talking about. Why dont you show us an example of the fire dept using these to bring down a still burning building? Not one example, Roger?
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Reported again.

If you say pretend NSA one more time i will go to the mods to have you removed.

Its not my fault you cannot figure out the documents i posted are real and mine.
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I will acquiesce to your demands as I desperately fear the retribution of the fake NSA.

Back on topic: Why did everyone involved in the demolition of WTC7 lie about it?
 
Well, as a firefighter I'm certainly enjoying his enlightening disquisition on the roles and abilities of firefighters - and how "fire RESCUE" is evidently completely unrelated.

I've handled most of the tools we carry on our heavy rescue squads, including all the hydraulic tools, the plasma cutter, and the Petrogen cutter. I'm imagining going into a heavily damaged, heavily involved (i.e. burning) skyscraper and using them to cut structural members in order to bring the building down in some sort of semi-controlled fashion. Yeah, that would work; damaged cars and 500-foot tall buildings are built pretty much the same way.

And I like to think of that last cut. "OK, all we need to do is take out this one last beam right here, and the whole thing we'll come down. So cut it and we'll head on out... hey, wait a minute..."
 
BTW, I made a double Stundie nomination for those claims.

I should add that not one do the famous FDNY Rescue companies (made up, oddly enough, of firefighters) do rescue work, so does the NYPD Emergency Services Unit. AFAIK, neither has any mandate to demolish large buildings.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Please be adult enough not to put words in my mouth
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So you brought up the point that ...

ULTIMA1 said:
Something people on here seem to keep overlooking. Thier were Fire Rescue units there that have the knowledge and equipment to cut beams for rescue. The Fire Rescue units go into burning and unsafe buildings all the time.

Also do not forget thier were demo teams on the scene too.
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When I asked you why you brought it up you said...
ULTIMA1 said:
Beacause its a way building 7 could have been brought down.
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How am I putting words in your mouth?

Eta: Oh, and please be adult enough not to play semantics games in your answer.
 
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ULTIMA1 said:
So tell me, do rescue units have the knowledge and equipmet to cut a steel beam, YES or NO?
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Yeah, but that doesn't mean they'd be able to drop WTC 7 so neatly the day of the attacks.

You have to realize you are exactly the type of poster these debunkers love to seize upon. You are making unsupported claims that the FDNY would be in any position to bring down WTC on 9/11, and they were not.

You are giving the debunkers an opportunity to ignore the more important point that WTC 7's collapse is much more consistent with a CD that would have been prepared months in advance, than a fire induced collapse caused by the buckling of a single column. An hypothesis for which there is no physical evidence to support it.
 
sts60 said:
Well, as a firefighter I'm certainly enjoying his enlightening disquisition on the roles and abilities of firefighters - and how "fire RESCUE" is evidently completely unrelated.

I've handled most of the tools we carry on our heavy rescue squads, including all the hydraulic tools, the plasma cutter, and the Petrogen cutter. I'm imagining going into a heavily damaged, heavily involved (i.e. burning) skyscraper and using them to cut structural members in order to bring the building down in some sort of semi-controlled fashion. Yeah, that would work; damaged cars and 500-foot tall buildings are built pretty much the same way.

And I like to think of that last cut. "OK, all we need to do is take out this one last beam right here, and the whole thing we'll come down. So cut it and we'll head on out... hey, wait a minute..."
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All due respect sts60, but I think a fake NSA analyst would know more about fake controlled demolitions than a real firefighter.
 
RedIbis said:
Yeah, but that doesn't mean they'd be able to drop WTC 7 so neatly the day of the attacks.

You have to realize you are exactly the type of poster these debunkers love to seize upon. You are making unsupported claims that the FDNY would be in any position to bring down WTC on 9/11, and they were not.

You are giving the debunkers an opportunity to ignore the more important point that WTC 7's collapse is much more consistent with a CD that would have been prepared months in advance, than a fire induced collapse caused by the buckling of a single column. An hypothesis for which there is no physical evidence to support it.
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As long as you have your computer speakers off, and ignore all the "not" breaking windows in the vicinity, huh Reddy?
 
RedIbis said:
Yeah, but that doesn't mean they'd be able to drop WTC 7 so neatly the day of the attacks.

You have to realize you are exactly the type of poster these debunkers love to seize upon. You are making unsupported claims that the FDNY would be in any position to bring down WTC on 9/11, and they were not.

You are giving the debunkers an opportunity to ignore the more important point that WTC 7's collapse is much more consistent with a CD that would have been prepared months in advance, than a fire induced collapse caused by the buckling of a single column. An hypothesis for which there is no physical evidence to support it.
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...while you continue to ignore the fact that many fire and building safety professionals watched this supposed controlled demolition happen right in front of them and yet have unanimously failed to recognize it as such. You instead prefer to characterize them as cowards and dupes as a means to wedge your ridiculous fantasy into reality.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Well i did not say fire fighters i stated fire RESCUE units. There is a difference.
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It's been beaten to death but firefighters don't exclusively fight fires, they often take part in a myriad of other practices, including rescue operations. I don't know if you missed the news that day but they were actively involved in rescue operations.


ULTIMA1 said:
Sawsall

cutting torches

These will cut a beam.
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And generally going into a burning building to start cutting beams for an "emergency demolition" as you claim (unsubstantiated at that) they have the authority to do so, is a suicide mission. Last I checked the collapse of WTC 7 involved no direct fatalities. On top of that, none of the equipment I've read up on are designed for demolition purposes with an intact building.
 
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