The 25 fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah chapter 53

[zooterkin]

Well I am really glad you brought in that website where Thomas Jefferson wrote I am a real Christian.

I've been puzzling over exactly what you meant by this. Which website did Thomas Jefferson write on? What sort of PC did he use? And do you mean he said he was a real Christian, or you are?

 

[dafydd]

Cockney joke.He was called Isiah because one eye was 'igher than the other.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

I've been puzzling over exactly what you meant by this. Which website did Thomas Jefferson write on? What sort of PC did he use? And do you mean he said he was a real Christian, or you are?

His blog hasn't been updated for over a year now and even then the entry simply read, "still dead."

 

[Belz...]

Don't try to discuss a topic you know nothing about.

Oh, no. By all means, discuss a topic you know nothing about. Just be sure to learn something in the process.

 

[Belz...]

I think most scholars believe Jesus actually existed.

I agree. But it does not follow that we have any sort of evidence on the matter. We just know about the ChristIANS, not the guy himself.

We have more non-Christian written sources for Christ and/or Christians (10) than we have written sources for Tiberius Caessar(9).

That's dishonest. You add "christ" (0) and "christians" (10) together to get your number "10". Well, that's okay. I'm sure I could do the same for other religions.

1) Jesus lived during time of Tiberius Caesar.

So claims the bible.

2) He lived a virtuous life.

So claims the bible.

3) He was a wonder worker.

Idem.

4) He had a brother {some say cousin} named James.

Says who ? Josephus ? Or Eusebius ?

5) He was acclaimed to be the Messiah.

Again, bible.

6) He was crucified under Pontius Pilate.

Same....

7) He was crucified on the eve of the Jewish Passover.

Boring...

8) Darkness and an earthquake occurred when he died.

Thing...

9) His disciples believe he rose from the dead.

What they believe is irrelevant.

10) His disciples were willing to die for their belief.

Irrelevant.

11) Christianity spread as far as Rome.

Islam has spread far from Mecca and Medina.

12) His disciples denied the Roman gods and worshiped Jesus as God.

So ? God's worshippers began worshipping the golden calf, didn't they ?


In short, you have NO evidence, whatsoever. How surprising.

 

[Belz...]

Because that is what came into my mind at the time. If that is offensive to some people then I'm sorry, that was not my intention or belief. As I have said, I have nothing against the Jewish people, especially since Christ, all the 12 apostles, Mary, and maybe the world's greatest evangelist (Paul) were all Jewish.

It's the part after "especially" that I find... interesting.

 

[Belz...]

Joobz is always saying how I dislike long posts of others and that is true. That's why I try to keep mine as short and succint as possible.

Yeah, reading is sooooo boring.

 

[paximperium]

I have a simple question.
When was Jesus born?
Where was Jesus born?

 

[Dancing David]

Well I am really glad you brought in that website where Thomas Jefferson wrote I am a real Christian.

And of course I denied and still deny ever knowing the kind of organization that sponsors that website. You will notice that nowhere on the page I brought in does it give any indication of the kind of organization it is. This is just another example of some skeptics attacking the messenger instead of the message. But in a way I'm glad some people have that mentality (in this instance) because now a lot more people know that Thomas Jefferson stated he was a real Christian.

What a lazy person you must be, I could find at least a hundred quotes about Thomas Jefferson and Xianity and never once have to go to such a pathetic lame wad site.

I have given up on reporting this thread, it is apparent that not only are you not a follower of the theachings of Jesus, but that you do not care about your own OP.

Since you can't show that jesus fulfilles the prophecies of Isiah you get down to ignorant derailing of your own thread.

 

[Dancing David]

You will notice that nowhere on the page I brought in does it give any indication of the kind of organization it is.

What a liar your are DOC, how many web sites have a picture of GWB wearing Mickey Mouse ears with a star of David on them?

Is that not an indication of the type of website and specific page that you linked to?

Then on the same page
" the great reformer of the vicious ethics and deism of the Jews"

What does that phrase mean? It is in plain sight on the page you linked to. And why did they cherry pick it out of context?

Google 'Thomas Jefferson christian"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Thomas+jefferson+christian&aq=f&oq=
The Christian party website not on the first page.

Google 'Thomas Jefferson faithful christian'
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Thomas+Jefferson+faithful+christian
The Christian party website is not on the first page

Google 'Thomas Jefferson devout christian'
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Thomas+Jefferson+devout+christian

Google 'Thomas jefferson quotes on Christianity'
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Thomas+Jefferson+quotes+on+Christianity

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Thomas+Jefferson+professes+Christianity

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Thomas+Jefferson+"defends+christianity"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Thomas+Jefferson+promotes+christianity&btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...=X&oi=revisions_inline&ct=unquoted-query-link

 

[joobz]

What a lazy person you must be, I could find at least a hundred quotes about Thomas Jefferson and Xianity and never once have to go to such a pathetic lame wad site.

Yes, but it does take some effort to find a website that properly missinterprets jefferson to make it sound like he's a christian.

 

[Dancing David]

Name some good archaeological evidence from Jewish websites that Jesus was not the Messiah.

This is just ignorant beyond belief, burden of proof falls on those who wish to show that Jesus was the messiah.

DUH.

 

[RoboTimbo]

This is just ignorant beyond belief, burden of proof falls on those who wish to show that Jesus was the messiah.

DUH.

Pardon me for interjecting but shouldn't DOC now have to use some archaeological evidence to show that Jesus was the messiah?

 

[Dancing David]

6) He was crucified under Pontius Pilate.

7) He was crucified on the eve of the Jewish Passover.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4633677#post4633677

there is no historical or other evidence, other than the gospels that Jesus was crucified by the Romans, just as there is no evidence of the jewish slaves in Egypt.

Appolonius of Tyana has as much validity as Jesus.

 

[paximperium]

This is just ignorant beyond belief, burden of proof falls on those who wish to show that Jesus was the messiah.

DUH.

I'm actually going to give some credit to DOC. He knows that. He is well aware that he does not have the evidence to meet the burden of proof. So he attempts a rather childish redirect of the burden.

It is rather sad to see such amateurish attempts. It is like looking at a child in a boxing rink with Mike Tyson...and Mike is biting ears today.

 

[Dancing David]

Sir William Mitchell Ramsay , not an archaeologist, a bible scholar and historian. very lttile in the way fo actual archaeology.

William Allbright, good with ceramics, but did not prove Exoduos or the invasion of Caanan.

 

[zooterkin]

I think most scholars believe Jesus actually existed. We have more non-Christian written sources for Christ and/or Christians (10) than we have written sources for Tiberius Caessar(9).

Just to be sure we're comparing like with like, what are these 9 written sources for Tiberius Caes(s)ar?

 

[Cleon]

I thought he was sincere when he said that, why would I give the link if I didn't believe that. I'm not that stupid to give a pack of wolves that I know would give their wisdom teeth to find anything on me something to ad hom about.

You know, DOC, I'm starting to wonder.

You had to have seen those last two sentences, which firmly and beyond a doubt established what Lothian was actually saying. You clipped them out, and replaced them with ellipses. There is no way to do that accidentally.

And this isn't the first time; your threads are full of examples of you taking quotes out of context, cherrypicking things out of larger articles and posts and spinning them to make them appear as though they back you up, when the context clearly establishes that they do no such thing.

The way I see it, this leaves only two non-exclusive possibilities:

1. You are extremely dishonest, and you really are stupid enough to think that you won't get caught when you pull this kind of stunt.
2. You have a mental condition, which makes you unable to perceive any information that contradicts your pre-conceived notions. (I don't even know if such a condition is documented in the DSM; I'm just feeling charitable today.)

I don't know which it is, and I doubt you do, either.

My 3200+ posts speak for themselves.

They do indeed, but they don't say what you think they say.

I'll be quite content if people looking for facts about Christianity read each and every one of them.

As will I. Many of the responses to your posts have some valuable information, and your posts are great examples of various logical fallacies.

If they are concerned about a fact, most of them are easy to verify.

Indeed, which is why you are proven wrong so quickly and easily.

If they make a sincere attempt to verify them themselves and can't find an answer they are welcome to question me about it in a polite manner.

Being unable to verify your "facts" is not the problem. The problem is that, upon verification, it turns out that more often than not your "facts" aren't actually factual.

 

[Belz...]

I have a simple question.
When was Jesus born?
Where was Jesus born?

I have a simpler question

Was Jesus born?

 

[Belz...]

I thought he was sincere when he said that, why would I give the link if I didn't believe that. I'm not that stupid to give a pack of wolves that I know would give their wisdom teeth to find anything on me something to ad hom about.

DOC, at least do us the favour of knowing what an ad hom is.