Why a one-way Crush down is not possible

[bill smith]

We've already seen everything there is to see. Nothing is happening. Bush is gone and your tiny movement is dead.

Bush will never be gone for us .

 

[FineWine]

Bush will never be gone for us .

That's your problem. The real world moves on. You are trapped in your fairy tales. Nothing turned out the way your gurus predicted it would. But you don't care because you're not reality-based. Remember when Bush was going to declare martial law and suspend the elections? Didn't happen, did it? You post a stream of utter nonsense, but you finally managed to get something right. Bush will never be gone for you and it will always be 2005. The passage of time has invalidated all of your claims and stamped you "truthers" as irrelevant.

 

[aggle-rithm]

I don't think so. In fact i think it is all over bar the shouting. It has been a long hard road for us heroic Truthers even if I say so myself.

In order for there to be a long, hard road, you have to actually leave your apartment.

 

[GeeMack]

[RE: bill smith] You aren't even fooling yourself.

You may be wrong in your assessment. After all, doesn't it stand to reason that if bill isn't fooling himself, he's a troll.

 

[FineWine]

You may be wrong in your assessment. After all, doesn't it stand to reason that if bill isn't fooling himself, he's a troll.

Who ever said that he wasn't a troll?

 

[bill smith]

That's your problem. The real world moves on. You are trapped in your fairy tales. Nothing turned out the way your gurus predicted it would. But you don't care because you're not reality-based. Remember when Bush was going to declare martial law and suspend the elections? Didn't happen, did it? You post a stream of utter nonsense, but you finally managed to get something right. Bush will never be gone for you and it will always be 2005. The passage of time has invalidated all of your claims and stamped you "truthers" as irrelevant.

We will move on after this is sorted out and not before.

 

[aggle-rithm]

We will move on after this is sorted out and not before.

In other words, never.

 

[GeeMack]

Who ever said that he wasn't a troll?

Now that you ask, I don't recall anyone suggesting that he's not a troll. And many have suggested he is. Okay, you're probably correct in saying he isn't even fooling himself.

 

[FineWine]

We will move on after this is sorted out and not before.

As I said, you can NEVER move on. You are trapped in 2005. Your movement is hopelessly discredited. You are wrong--absurdly wrong--about everything. Not ONE of your myths can survive the slightest scrutiny. There isn't going to be any new investigation and none of the frauds you follow slavishly can defend his nonsense in debates with real scientists and engineers. You have condemned yourself to repeat the same claptrap eternally. Incapable of learning, impervious to criticism, you're insects stuck in amber.

 

[bill smith]

As I said, you can NEVER move on. You are trapped in 2005. Your movement is hopelessly discredited. You are wrong--absurdly wrong--about everything. Not ONE of your myths can survive the slightest scrutiny. There isn't going to be any new investigation and none of the frauds you follow slavishly can defend his nonsense in debates with real scientists and engineers. You have condemned yourself to repeat the same claptrap eternally. Incapable of learning, impervious to criticism, you're insects stuck in amber.

With all due respect- bullcrap from start to finish.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

I don't think so. In fact i think it is all over bar the shouting. It has been a long hard road for us heroic Truthers even if I say so myself.

And this, I think, is the crux of the matter. For whatever reason, truthers have the need to feel special, important, heroic. Their imapct in their normal life isn't enough; they need to impact the world. People like Heiwa need to say "Look at me! I'm making a difference!". People like Kreel or Bill Smith follow along blindly and say "I'm part of something important!"

Guys, you can make an impact on the world and still maintain rationality. Join the Peace Corps or Habitat for Humanity. Volunteer at a soup kitchen. Join a charity drive.

Sure, now and then the "establishment" needs to be reminded that it's screwing up...but only when it really is. To stomp and whine and yell at any other time comes across as childish antics, with increasingly unlikely chances that anyone will take you seriously.

All in all, I don't think this is about 9/11 at all. I think it's about the need for these people to feel important. 9/11 just happens to be a big and convenient event, but if it didn't happen, they'd have found something else to inflate their egos on.

 

[six7s]

In order for there to be a long, hard road, you have to actually leave your apartment.

Which involves convincing your mother to unlock your bedroom door...

Good luck with that, bill

 

[FineWine]

With all due respect- bullcrap from start to finish.

Thoughtful answer--exactly what we've learned to expect. In the meantime, you remain trapped in 2005. No escape is possible. Events have exposed all of your delusions. Absolutely nothing turned out the way you predicted. You can't learn; you can't adapt; you can't submit your cherished myths to the slightest bit of critical examination. You've been selected for extinction by inexorable evolutionary forces.

 

[bill smith]

Thoughtful answer--exactly what we've learned to expect. In the meantime, you remain trapped in 2005. No escape is possible. Events have exposed all of your delusions. Absolutely nothing turned out the way you predicted. You can't learn; you can't adapt; you can't submit your cherished myths to the slightest bit of critical examination. You've been selected for extinction by inexorable evolutionary forces.

This post is a virtual twin to the one in which I used the 'Bullcrap' remark. Therefore I must repeat myself. Bullcrap from start to finish.

 

[T.A.M.]

Most people seem to be impressed by the 30-some structural engineers that Richard Gage has currently on his book of signatories demanding a new open and independent 9/11 enquiry with full powers of subpoena. You can put your head in the sand if you like but it won't pay off in the end.

you can find stupid, dumbass morons in any group, any profession, including mine. I applaud Gage for digging 30 of them up.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

We shall see.

that is the truest thing you have said in a while bill.

I think you will be disappointed by it though.

TAM

 

[bill smith]

you can find stupid, dumbass morons in any group, any profession, including mine. I applaud Gage for digging 30 of them up.

TAM

Why don't you guys dig up 30 structural engineeers from all the ones you claim. Let them go on live TV against Richard Gage's team of 30 structural engineers led by Heiwa. You can even throw Ray Mackey in for a little added colour.

 

[six7s]

Thoughtful answer--exactly what we've learned to expect. In the meantime, you remain trapped in 2005. No escape is possible. Events have exposed all of your delusions. Absolutely nothing turned out the way you predicted. You can't learn; you can't adapt; you can't submit your cherished myths to the slightest bit of critical examination. You've been selected for extinction by inexorable evolutionary forces.

This post is a virtual twin to the one in which I used the 'Bullcrap' remark. Therefore I must repeat myself. Bullcrap from start to finish.

If it really is 'bullcrap from start to finish', you will be able to describe at least one thing that has "turned out the way you predicted"

Please, EITHER do so OR accept that your reputation as a self-deluding and willfully-ignorant liar will become further entrenched in the minds of those reading this thread

 

[T.A.M.]

Why don't you guys dig up 30 structural engineeers from all the ones you claim. Let them go on live TV against Richard Gage's team of 30 structural engineers led by Heiwa. You can even throw Ray Mackey in for a little added colour.

lol. They have better things to do with their time, I AM SURE. But why don't I just pick up my magical red phone and get on the line with the overlord of structural engineering and have him assign 30 or so engineers to this task for you...

TAM

 

[bill smith]

And this, I think, is the crux of the matter. For whatever reason, truthers have the need to feel special, important, heroic. Their imapct in their normal life isn't enough; they need to impact the world. People like Heiwa need to say "Look at me! I'm making a difference!". People like Kreel or Bill Smith follow along blindly and say "I'm part of something important!"

Guys, you can make an impact on the world and still maintain rationality. Join the Peace Corps or Habitat for Humanity. Volunteer at a soup kitchen. Join a charity drive.

Sure, now and then the "establishment" needs to be reminded that it's screwing up...but only when it really is. To stomp and whine and yell at any other time comes across as childish antics, with increasingly unlikely chances that anyone will take you seriously.

All in all, I don't think this is about 9/11 at all. I think it's about the need for these people to feel important. 9/11 just happens to be a big and convenient event, but if it didn't happen, they'd have found something else to inflate their egos on.

This is about the size of it in the immortal words of Mike Rivero.

"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all."