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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
What is your source; and the phrase "default position" should be in the source.
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Ah, DOC's classic fall-back defence when cornered on a scientific topic - find a simple non-scientific phrase in the argument, and demand a source that includes that exact phrase, and when no source can be found with that exact phrase he'll claim victory on the basis that someone used a turn of phrase that isn't in any source, all the while completely ignoring all other arguments and evidence. :rolleyes:

Truly sad, not to mention dishonest.
 
Good Lord.


Start here for some recent conjecture.

Then pick up one of these and read.

Or you could do it all online if you search evolution of sex.

Sex, at its most basic level, is transfer of genetic information from one organism to another. The first such transfers occurred in asexual bacteria (that is asexual by our use of the terms meiosis and mitosis); but, and this is one of the most important points, that lateral gene transfer "does the same thing that sex does", so it is virtually impossible to separate the two.

Mitochondrial invasion may well have been involved in the creation of a new sex -- specifically the male. In a human, take away the Y chromosome and what do you see, a male or a female? In a human, take away testosterone and what do you see, a male or a female? In a human take away one X chromosome and what do you see? Female is the default position, not male. The idea of female is a construction of our minds; what we call female is the core of biology. Males are just degenerate copies of what we call females.

That is what science says about this, not your fanciful just-so story.
 
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paximperium said:
Genetics
Y and X chromosomes.
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Also see some fish and fruit flies, for example, where female is XX and male is XO, not to mention honey bees where the male has only one set of chromosomes and is therefore also XO. The male is therefore lacking something the female has.
 
DOC said:
I asked for a source not a Word.
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That is the source. Go pick up a good book or type it down in wikipedia if it is too complicated for you.
I asked for a source to a specific question.
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Go use wikipedia. Type down Y-chromosome.

DOC, this is not a debate. You have zero knowledge of whatever nonsense you are attempting to spout. We all know you have zero interest in learning anything. Go learn something and stop bothering people who know things you can't even fanthom.
 
paximperium said:
Already did. You either don't read other people's posts or don't understand it.
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You simply answered my rephrased question (from post 4172) with the word No. If you explained that NO to my rephrased question, what post did you explain it in?
 
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paximperium said:
That is the source. Go pick up a good book or type it down in wikipedia if it is too complicated for you.
Go use wikipedia. Type down Y-chromosome.

DOC, this is not a debate. You have zero knowledge of whatever nonsense you are attempting to spout. We all know you have zero interest in learning anything. Go learn something and stop bothering people who know things you can't even fanthom.
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As it stands, I asked for sources to two points you made and I get none. If you don't have sources for what you said you should just admit you made a mistake.
 
DOC said:
You simply answered my rephrased question with the word No. If you explained that NO to my rephrased question, what post did you explain it in?
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Yawn:
paximperium said:
No. You really need to read up gene transfer and early sexual reproduction. The most basic does not require a "male" or "female" since the organism can be "both".

Are you claiming that Adam was a Hermaphrodite or not male?
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DOC said:
As it stands, I asked for sources to two points you made and I get none. If you don't have sources for what you said you should just admit you made a mistake.
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No. You have no idea what you are talking about. That is fact.

Go read a book and stop trying to look more foolish than you already are. You really need to stop arguing science with people who actually understand it.
 
DOC said:
As it stands, I asked for sources to two points you made and I get none. If you don't have sources for what you said you should just admit you made a mistake.
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DOC, you wouldn't know a reliable source if it kicked you in the knackers!
 
zooterkin said:
He hasn't even read his bible, so the chance of him reading science seems sadly small.
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What I find more amusing is that he is deluded enough to believe he can actually argue science despite his complete ignorance and his failure with arguing for his Bible.
 
wollery said:
Ah, DOC's classic fall-back defence when cornered on a scientific topic - find a simple non-scientific phrase in the argument, and demand a source that includes that exact phrase, and when no source can be found with that exact phrase he'll claim victory on the basis that someone used a turn of phrase that isn't in any source, all the while completely ignoring all other arguments and evidence. :rolleyes:

Truly sad, not to mention dishonest.
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Alright then give me a source that explains something similar to the phrases (female is the default position) and ("male" is the "degenerate" something) that someone gave in this post:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4696383#post4696383
 
You've been given sources.

Here's another


And here

And here


How many sources do you want exactly?

This is a truly stupid game.


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It's a doubly stupid game, because this is just the Y chromosome story and not all species use XY chromosomes to determine sex; and as already explained, that is not the original story for sexual reproduction in the first place; and even where it evolved, it arose out of hermaphroditic populations most likely.
 
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I hereby make the claim that the god in the Bible is a Hermaprodite...just because I can.
 
Here's a link that actually states
The second sex chromosome of men is the Y of their fathers, thought to have evolved from a degenerate version of an ancient X chromosome as long as 300 million years ago.
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and another:
The human Y chromosome is both a degenerate and a copycat.

The first accusation is an old one. Scientists believe this male chromosome once had thousands of genes in common with the X chromosome, the other mammalian sex chromosome. Early in mammalian evolution, however, the Y chromosome apparently began to degenerate rapidly. Today, it's a shadow of its former self, containing at most several dozen functional genes.
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Happy now?
 
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DOC,
are you claiming that adam and eve weren't human but the first sexual species to have emerged?
 
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