The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

Sweaty is lying and I will now prove it.


Here is the first question, drop-dead simple, that did not come from me:

Originally Posted by AtomicMysteryMonster
Yes or no: Are Patty's arms longer than the arms of a human?

Let's see how promptly Sweaty answers this.

Patty's arms....in proportion to her overall body height....are longer than the average human's arms.


"Poof" goes your "Proof".



Who has the next question that I have refused to answer, because I'm....supposedly.....afraid to answer it???

 

[kitakaze]

Patty's arms....in proportion to her overall body height....are longer than the average human's arms.


"Poof" goes your "Proof".



Who has the next question that I have refused to answer, because I'm....supposedly.....afraid to answer it???

Oops for you. You failed to answer Atomic's question. You like to push for "yes" or "no" answers and yet you are evading giving one. And where did Atomic use the word "average" in his question. I know Bill thought Patty's arms were slightly longer than average and nicely proportioned but Atomic had nothing like that in his drop-dead simple question. Atomic asked you a yes or no question about Patty's arms being longer than a human's. Do you have trouble answering such simple questions, dear Sweaty?

*BZZT* FAIL! Try again.

 

[kitakaze]

I'll be responding to this post again but for now I want to share with people a fun little activity I like to do called "Faceplant the Troll". Faceplant is a riot and makes me all bubbles and smiles. Faceplant works the very best when you take something straightforward and terribly stupid written by a troll. Here's a perfect example:

If it's detemrined that Bob H. is indeed full of bull.....then we have to consider the consequences of there being, after 41 years, nobody with a credible claim to being Patty...(or even anybody with a claim.)


The situation would then be...

(snip)

4) Nobody with even a slightly credible claim to being the "Man in the suit".

(snip)

You then, instead of going to so much effort to write out articulate reasons why what the troll wrote is stupid, simply hop on the search function and pull out a quote or two written by the troll themselves that runs completely contradictory to what they themselves have just written. Bingo bango, you get this:

Well, I'd say that since Bob Heironimus was a long-time friend and neighbour of Bob Gimlin, that there's a very high probability that they had some involvement with each other over the years.

And this:

To answer your question....Yes, being 'involved' with Roger would make Bob a 'more likely' candidate to be involved in a hoax with Roger, than most other people....I would agree with that.

And Bob's your uncle, you just faceplanted the troll. No fuss, no muss. So for any new skeptics or lurkers out there, note to self: using a troll's own words against themselves is far better than wasting time writing your own.

Faceplant the Troll. You know... for the kids.

 

[kitakaze]

What was/is Bob H? A guy who was close enough to the central circle of a couple of guys who managed to carve out a bit of fame and fortune that from which he decided to grab a piece of the pie. In a way it worked because his proximity, physical as well as operational was enough to give him a certain measure of circumstantial credibility. Does the hand fit the glove comfortably? You decide.

Log, you are a funny bit of lumber. You say you're a crow and yet you quack so damn much.

Try to wrap your bark around this...

1) Decided to grab a piece of the pie? BH has been telling his story for many years now. How much pie has he gotten? What kind of insane liar offers to meet with the person he is accusing in an interview format where Gimlin could easily bust him if he wasn't there.

2) All these years BH has been making the claims and he never once said "See? Check this out. There's a photo of me and them," to back up his story. It was Bigfoot skeptics that found the images that link him to P&G and back up his claims.

3) So this crazy Yakima bastard passes two polygraphs. One was televised. The other was ten years ago through his lawyer Barry Woodard. Sure, polygraphs are only as good as the professional administering them but did BH know that? He took them believing them to be a reliable method of discerning one's truthfulness. Maybe he worked for us at the NSA and the Pepsi bottler thing was a front!

(BTW, we've all heard Patterson took a polygraph. How can we know?)

Good one, Log. BH is a fraud because he claimed being Patty knowing that all the supporting circumstantial evidence would be uncovered by skeptics but not submitted himself.

ETA:

It takes more tailoring and shoehorning to put Bob in "the suit" than it takes reason to not put him in it in the first place. If the Morris recreaton had never been created then "Bobnicks" would have had a gloss of Bob is the man. However the world did get to unquestionabley see Bob as Bigfoot and whatever talent he may have had for the role sure didn't come on line this time when the camera rolled. Was he the walker? IMO no. Is he an opportunist? IMO yes.

I chocolate Wednesday finger manager it kiwi.

I don't think Morris made Patty and I'm OK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCzRBzBmUjE&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQU1Q8YEsvw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuAhjhJOic4

 

[kitakaze]

Good one, Astro! I think you hit the nail right on the head with that one!

And also.....maybe Gimlin doesn't write the 'tell-all' book because he's been threatened by the guy who's being paid to keep his trap shut....and then, maybe the guy who made the custom-formed padding for the suit has been recieving a fruit basket every single week, for the last 41 years, to keep his mouth from runnin'.......and maybe.......whatever you want to think, Astro....that's what the TRUTH of the matter is!!

Maybe he doesn't do it because he wants to keep his marriage, privacy, lifestyle, and diginity intact. Maybe he never, ever wants to see that damn wig again. Maybe he doesn't want a footer to show up outside his house at 2 am sobbing in the rain with a gun. Maybe he knows that he can ride it all out, refuse interviews with skeptics or Heironimus, and just keep laying on the butter every now and then at a convention. No shame and no messing with a people's gravy train/reason for lifestyle.

 

[Astrophotographer]

I'm happy for you, Astro, that you have a 'default thought' in your head, that you're 100% comfortable with.
"Comfort" is a good thing.

It is the correct way to approach the question. You can not say bigfoot exists simply because you want to believe the stories people tell. There is not one ounce of good evidence that Bigfoot exists as a creature in the wild. Therefore, the default explanation and most likely answer is it is a guy in a suit.

BTW, some time ago, I asked if you thought bigfoot was real, why you did not donate massive amounts of your money to these bigfoot organizations to find it? Are you afraid they will waste your money? Are you afraid that they will never find bigfoot?

 

[Astrophotographer]

And also.....maybe Gimlin doesn't write the 'tell-all' book because he's been threatened by the guy who's being paid to keep his trap shut....and then, maybe the guy who made the custom-formed padding for the suit has been recieving a fruit basket every single week, for the last 41 years, to keep his mouth from runnin'.......and maybe.......whatever you want to think, Astro....that's what the TRUTH of the matter is!!

Other possibilities are that those people have died. Perhaps Gimlin actually shot the guy in the suit and won't tell anyone because of this act. Nobody knows. There are many possibilities for why somebody might not step forward and Gimlin might not talk. There definitely a lot more possibilities than there is proof that bigfoot exists as a real creature.

Nobody has been able to show that the subject in the film exists as a real creature. That is what bothers you most. This is why the guy in the suit explanation works and the mysterious creature does not. It takes no great leap of faith to suggest it is a guy in a suit because that is probable. What you suggest, that Bunny is a real live creature that has never been shown to exist, is a leap of faith.

 

[Astrophotographer]

Patty's arms....in proportion to her overall body height....are longer than the average human's arms.

Demonstrate this is true. I am not talking about crayon lines. I am asking you to provide actual meausrements that demonstrate this is true.

 

[Drewbot]

OK Sweaty, quitting Effing with us, your arguments have been so thoroughly trashed here, that there is NO WAY you are a Bigfoot Believer, You are really a Bigfoot Skoftic and you are Effing with us. NO one could keep an argument going after all of this could they? Someone help me here, is sweaty truly trying to defend his/her position with THIS???? Or is he/she just Effing with us???

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

And where did Atomic use the word "average" in his question.

Atomic asked you a yes or no question about Patty's arms being longer than a human's.

Do you have trouble answering such simple questions, dear Sweaty?

"A Human's" is rather vague phrase. "Humans" have different arm lengths.

If Atomic Guy wants to ask me the question again, with a more specific reference to "human arm lengths", I will be more than happy to answer his question.



As for this other garbage of yours...

You then, instead of going to so much effort to write out articulate reasons why what the troll wrote is stupid, simply hop on the search function and pull out a quote or two written by the troll themselves that runs completely contradictory to what they themselves have just written. Bingo bango, you get this:


Originally Posted by SweatyYeti
Well, I'd say that since Bob Heironimus was a long-time friend and neighbour of Bob Gimlin, that there's a very high probability that they had some involvement with each other over the years.

And this:


Originally Posted by SweatyYeti
To answer your question....Yes, being 'involved' with Roger would make Bob a 'more likely' candidate to be involved in a hoax with Roger, than most other people....I would agree with that.

Yet another misrepresentation. I haven't contradicted myself.

This statement of mine only refers to Vort's hypothetical proposal..."IF Bob was proven not to be Patty"....

The situation would then be...

(snip)

4) Nobody with even a slightly credible claim to being the "Man in the suit".

If you read the statements highlighted in blue together, as a continuous sentence....the meaning of what I what I was saying is perfectly clear.


And, as for my statements, in green.....I didn't mean that Bob has even a fair degree of probability of being Patty...let alone a high probability.

What I wrote only concerns relative probabilities.
The phrase I highlighted in red makes that very clear...to most people......


"To answer your question....Yes, being 'involved' with Roger would make Bob a 'more likely' candidate to be involved in a hoax with Roger, than most other people....I would agree with that."




I highly recommend you see a doctor....Sewer Boy. You are a literal fountain of BS.

 

[Crowlogic]

OK Sweaty, quitting Effing with us, your arguments have been so thoroughly trashed here, that there is NO WAY you are a Bigfoot Believer, You are really a Bigfoot Skoftic and you are Effing with us. NO one could keep an argument going after all of this could they? Someone help me here, is sweaty truly trying to defend his/her position with THIS???? Or is he/she just Effing with us???

Drew the "effing" is a 2 way street around this joint.

 

[kitakaze]

"A Human's" is rather vague phrase. "Humans" have different arm lengths.

If Atomic Guy wants to ask me the question again, with a more specific reference to "human arm lengths", I will be more than happy to answer his question.

*Vincent Price cackles*

[BOBCAT GOLDTHWAIT] UWAAAAAHH! I love it! [/BOBCAT GOLDTHWAIT]

This is awesome! Not only do I get another refusal, but Sweaty steps right in it and sets himself up for a Faceplant the Troll ten times sweeter than before! I eat this up. I must relish it. There is nothing better than using Sweaty against Sweaty. That is the joy of FtT. We need some prime Sweaty arrogance here I can remix. I know!:

Hey Sweaty!! ...




.....Thanks for your thoughts!


Or how about:

Yup....Sweaty's brain is screaming.... "I'm away from my head right now....please leave a message".

Fantastic. Hey, brilliance, have a look at Atomic's question and your excuses for refusing to answer it above and then have another look at you initial claim it was addressing:

Patty's arms are clearly longer than a human's arms, proportionally speaking.

Way to go, genius. You just go right ahead and keep on refusing to answer Atomic's question regarding your false claim. Thank's for setting me up for a three-pointer and helping me prove exactly what I'm talking about.

Cheers.

As for this other garbage of yours...

Yet another misrepresentation. I haven't contradicted myself.

This statement of mine only refers to Vort's hypothetical proposal..."IF Bob was proven not to be Patty"....

Nice try, wiggles. You'll note the big red "IF" I highlighted in that post of yours. But I'm glad you gave me the opportunity to show you admitting the hoax crowd isn't empty handed.

I highly recommend you see a doctor....Sewer Boy. You are a literal fountain of BS.

Why's that? Is your Balzheimer's catchy?

 

[Drewbot]

Drew the "effing" is a 2 way street around this joint.

Call it what you want, but 'Footry has yet to provide one, JUST ONE, reliable piece of evidence to support their claim that,
A. Bigfoot Exists, or
B. That the subject of the PGF is an Unclassified Hairy Primate of the Bipedal(except when needed quadrupedal) Persuation.

 

[Crowlogic]

Call it what you want, but 'Footry has yet to provide one, JUST ONE, reliable piece of evidence to support their claim that,
A. Bigfoot Exists, or
B. That the subject of the PGF is an Unclassified Hairy Primate of the Bipedal(except when needed quadrupedal) Persuation.

Drew you were calling it what you wanted and you wanted to call one posters actions as "effing". I'm simply expanding your terminology to include that the (your word "effing") term pretty much sums up a universal modality here. Do not dump your terminology on me as if I just pulled the terminology out of my hat. I didn't you did. But you do have my permission to call it that if you wish. I prefer to maintain that the atmosphere generated by most of the posters here is designed to become inciting (no not incite full) which reduces this place time and time again to the general communication exchange of what transpires in a junior high school cafeteria.

 

[Drewbot]

Drew you were calling it what you wanted and you wanted to call one posters actions as "effing". I'm simply expanding your terminology to include that the (your word "effing") term pretty much sums up a universal modality here. Do not dump your terminology on me as if I just pulled the terminology out of my hat. I didn't you did. But you do have my permission to call it that if you wish. I prefer to maintain that the atmosphere generated by most of the posters here is designed to become inciting (no not incite full) which reduces this place time and time again to the general communication exchange of what transpires in a junior high school cafeteria.

I doubt most of the people here are Effing around when they say "Bigfoot doesn't exist". You can't say "There is no reliable evidence of Giant Hairy... Bipedal Primates, therefore I do not believe they exist" and be EFFING around. It is a straightforward and level-headed take on the Bigfoot mystery.

But, when someone gets so thoroughly thrashed in their argument, i.e. Sweaty Yeti, and they still keep presenting the same things over and over, it makes me believe that that person might be Effing with me.

 

[makaya325]

Other possibilities are that those people have died. Perhaps Gimlin actually shot the guy in the suit and won't tell anyone because of this act. Nobody knows. There are many possibilities for why somebody might not step forward and Gimlin might not talk. There definitely a lot more possibilities than there is proof that bigfoot exists as a real creature.

Nobody has been able to show that the subject in the film exists as a real creature. That is what bothers you most. This is why the guy in the suit explanation works and the mysterious creature does not. It takes no great leap of faith to suggest it is a guy in a suit because that is probable. What you suggest, that Bunny is a real live creature that has never been shown to exist, is a leap of faith.

Well, Astro, you can not in any way show any animal in any film is a real creature. That is why a specimen is needed.

 

[wolftrax]

This image says it all. No more arguing over whether Patty's arms are inhumanly long, if an arm could be made to look longer, who said what, etc. This image shows that. Anything else is just running around in semantic circles, SweatyYeti.

 

[Crowlogic]

This image says it all. No more arguing over whether Patty's arms are inhumanly long, if an arm could be made to look longer, who said what, etc. This image shows that. Anything else is just running around in semantic circles, SweatyYeti.

Wolf...We know the Morris recreation has gloves designed to extend the length of the arm. Now looking at the photos it becomes apparant that the hands in the Morris recreation are much larger and conspicious than Patty's. The diamater of the lower arm appears bigger as well. The Morris affair is IMO a screaming confirmaiton that Morris had nothing to do with the PGF and that his talents as a suitmaker fell face flat on the occasion of the recreation. At he very least all have been spoared having to even make a pretense of seeing muscle defination in the MR. Lastly at least Bob H had the potential oflooking pretty cool doing the PGF thing. In his Morris performance he looks like a dope.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Wolf...We know the Morris recreation has gloves designed to extend the length of the arm. Now looking at the photos it becomes apparant that the hands in the Morris recreation are much larger and conspicious than Patty's. The diamater of the lower arm appears bigger as well. The Morris affair is IMO a screaming confirmaiton that Morris had nothing to do with the PGF and that his talents as a suitmaker fell face flat on the occasion of the recreation. At he very least all have been spoared having to even make a pretense of seeing muscle defination in the MR. Lastly at least Bob H had the potential oflooking pretty cool doing the PGF thing. In his Morris performance he looks like a dope.

There are a thousand things that can account for that- the least of which being the distance from the camera.

In reality- NEITHER one "proves" anything other than a visual similarity between rough outlines and movements and honestly I think I could have achieved that much and i have never worn a bigfoot suit.

 

[wolftrax]

Wolf...We know the Morris recreation has gloves designed to extend the length of the arm.

Which is why it's ridiculous to argue about Patty's or human's arms being longer and the last so many pages in this thread have been a complete waste of time and space.

Now looking at the photos it becomes apparant that the hands in the Morris recreation are much larger and conspicious than Patty's. The diamater of the lower arm appears bigger as well. The Morris affair is IMO a screaming confirmaiton that Morris had nothing to do with the PGF and that his talents as a suitmaker fell face flat on the occasion of the recreation. At he very least all have been spoared having to even make a pretense of seeing muscle defination in the MR. Lastly at least Bob H had the potential oflooking pretty cool doing the PGF thing. In his Morris performance he looks like a dope.

Those are other issues that do not have to do with the arm length as seen in Patty or humans, which has been the subject of this thread for at least the last week.