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The Truth of Christianity vs. All Other Belief Systems

arthwollipot said:
I only recently found out that some of what are traditionally referred to as Paul's gospels are probably not actually written by Paul. In particular, the ones that are most virulently misogynistic like 1 Timothy are unlikely to be written by Paul, and there's parts of Corinthians that are suspected to be later inclusions by other authors as well.

I'd just like to give a shoutout here to the Reasonable Doubts Podcast. They've been very informative.
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Technically they are called epistles, not gospels. ;)
 
In any case, evidence based on an ergot-based hallucination on the way to Damascus ought to be considered suspect, eh?
 
Christian Dude said:
I have not delved very deeply into the fallacies of other religions. I see no real point now since my argument that Christianity and science are not in contradiction is not remotely accepted here.
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With good reason. You began by describing the creation as depicted in Genesis as being scientifically accurate. When I provided a point-by-point rebuttal of this claim, my post was ignored.

Here it is for the third time, if you care to address it:


Robert Oz said:
According to the Bible:

1. God divided the light from the darkness and called one "day" and the other "night" (Gen 1:4-5). Ignoring the notion that he did this prior to making any stars (including the sun), there is no "division" between light and darkness. The sun that lights our days is still burning just as bright when we are in darkness. Our light and darkness are caused by the shape of the Earth and there would be no need, whatsoever, to divide light from darkness.

2. God created a firmament (called "Heaven") separating waters from waters (Gen 1:6-8). Where do you believe these other waters to be?

3. God placed lights in the aforementioned firmament to divide day from night and to be used as signs for seasons, etc. (Gen 1:14). Do you believe the rest of the universe was created purely so we can recognise Spring and count days, weeks and months? If so, why are there so many stars that cannot be seen with the naked eye? Why do planets revolve around those stars when they have no benefit to the Earth? This is still prior to the sun being made, of course.

4. After placing lights in the firmament, God created the sun, moon and stars (Gen 1:16-17). The Bible says God created the sun, moon and stars to give light on the Earth, but why is that necessary since He already created the light and divided it from the darkness? And if he created stars at this point, what were the lights in the firmament. Furthermore, the moon is not a light, it merely reflects light.

5. The Bible says the moon was created to rule over the night (Gen 1:18) and yet spends half its time in the day.

It doesn't sound all that accurate to me.
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Christian Dude said:
...many people have brought up the misconception that God condones slavery. This is a misunderstanding and application of the modern and western definition of slavery. A Hebrew bondservant is not at all like what we consider a slave in a modern sense. A Hebrew bondservant was protected by law and to be treated very well by their master. A simple study on this issue in ancient Hebrew language and culture will shed a whole new light on the subject.
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Even if we ignore the passages outlining how severely a Hebrew was permitted to beat his slave, how is any form of slavery okay.

Please answer the following question: Is it moral to own an African American if you treat him well? If I was as kind to my slave as I am to my own parents, is it still moral that I own a person? Please do not ignore this question.


Christian Dude said:
I will be side by side with you denouncing anyone, whether they call them selves a Christian or not, if they try to take away your free will to decide for your self what you believe.
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But you're fine with us burning in hell for exercising this precious free will?


Christian Dude said:
You might ask, “why does Jesus then allow all the terrible things that have been done in His name to happen? If He is really God, why doesn’t He stop that garbage?” For the very same reason a true Christian can’t do any more than just tell you about Jesus; He will not override your free will to choose what you believe for your self. If Jesus was to instantly destroy every person that sinned, people would submit to Him out of fear, not because of love and by free will.
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You are familiar with the story of Noah's Ark, aren't you? God overrode free will all the time in the Bible. Didn't God harden Pharoah's heart? Won't Jesus return do destroy all non-believers quite gruesomely?

It appears Jesus' forgiving attitude and love for his enemies has an expiry date.


Christian Dude said:
God chooses first to offer His mercy and grace to us before He ever judges us. He does not want to judge us. He only does it when we force Him to by rejecting Him and reconciliation through the salvation provided to us by Jesus.
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"I love you. Do you love me? Do you? Huh? Cause I really, really love you. Do you love me back? Do you? No! NO!! Then burn in hell for eternity, you f***er! You only brought it on, yourself."


Christian Dude said:
Then we always get to the kids. Why did God have to judge the kids along with the adults? You know, I don’t know in 100% certainty. Scripture does not clearly and plainly state why. All we can do is make some deductions as to what might be going on. Here is my best personal answer. I believe, because I know the nature of God through so many scriptures, as some provided above, and personal experience of His nature in my and others lives, there is mercy contained in His judgment somehow when kids are caught in it. One thought I have is that the kids, being to young to know right from wrong, are taken to Heaven and live with God there for the rest of eternity. If they were left to grow up in the vile, murderous and utterly corrupt cultures they were living in, they would have been lost to Him. Because I know the nature of God, He could judge the nation and save the kids, He just might do something like that. When you think of things in an eternal perspective like God does, it does not matter, in the much larger scope of eternity, that a life here on earth might have been relatively short compared to the average earthly life. I state once again, God never judges anyone unless there is no hope for them and He is forced to judge them because He is the perfect, holy, sinless, creator God that is also the righteous judge, and cannot let sin go unpunished. Yes all sin is judged and punished. Either a person’s sin was placed on Jesus, and He bore the punishment for it, or the person still has their sin and they have to bear the punishment.
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This argument has been made on these forums before, and it is one of the most disturbing I have encountered.

You are basically saying it is better for a child to die than to grow up to be an atheist or muslim or jew or hindu. Parents have a choice of either dashing their childrens' brains out to guarantee them a ticket to heaven or risk them following the wrong path and burning in hell for eternity.

How can you possibly even try to justify this? It is a disgusting argument.
 
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Christian Dude said:
Jesus in not your enemy, Christianity is not your enemy, nor are true Christians you enemy in any way.
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No one ever said that they were. It is a common Christian fantasy to think that people who don't Believe must be mad at God, or hate Christians, or something they can point to. We're actually just interested in truth, and don't believe your religion has any basis in reality.

Your giant post, while welcome, is not the same as participating in a thread that you started, that would entail quoting and responding to individual questions.
 
So, CD/Kathy, just how many souls have you brought into the light here?

Not a big number is it?

Glad you're giving up the effort.
 
Having read this whole thread now (looking back, I can hardly believe it, but it's like morbid curiosity of a car crash), and having seen nothing more from CD/Kathy than a series of futile attempts to evangelise, it seems clear to me they are here to act out 'witnessing' - although they're simply going through the motions. It also seems clear that this must be for purely selfish reasons, as not only do they fail to address the responses and questions posed in any rational, logical, or scientific way (contrary to the thread's title post), but in picking this particular forum, they are pretty much guaranteed a refactory group of unbelievers - so their unsophisticated evangelism will fall on possibly the most stony ground available. If anything, they strengthen the feeling against their sorry form of belief.

However, I think we should at least be cheered by the thought that in spending what little time they do here, they are not spending that time more fruitfully in corrupting less certain minds elsewhere...
 
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