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kurious_kathy said:
The man is still called to be the head of the household and the spiritual leader for his family too.
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What a step-back for women that is. So you believe that lie, no wonder you believe all the other lies too.

Paul

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kurious_kathy said:
RT it is God's story not mine. He is testing the hearts of man through all of this and I just pray he will help others to know him and be known by him. Jesus still is the great miracle worker, and the best miracle is salvation through a changed heart. When we receive Christ he gives us a new heart and life. Life in the Spirit is so much better than anything this world can offer, and I am rapture ready, "Are You?"
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No, Kathy. You're not.

Again, you revert to form, (not that you or CD ever left.) Your continued obsession with the Rapture, the Tribulation, End Times, the Return of Jesus, demonstrates this. You repeat the same old line, time and again, thinking that if you repeat it enough, we'll quit asking for evidence, we'll quit asking for discussion, we'll quit asking you to engage your brain. (Isn't that what you meant when you said what you did to Hokulele?)

So, hopefully, for the very last time, I'll ask this of you. Failure to answer indicates bad faith, that you have no interest in participating. That you're merely here to spam.

What evidence do you provide that the Bible is True?

I'll start from the beginning: Considering the Bible itself says you shall not put the Lord your God to the test, what evidence is available which proves God's existence? Since I may not, according to the Bible, set up a challenge which would answer this question, what is there that you can provide which shows anyone making a reasonable request for physical evidence reveals the presence of a deity? How does it work? The request is an honest one, but you and your husband have repeatedly refused to answer.

You lie, Kathy. You have lied repeatedly. We have shown you your lies, and you have blown us off. You don't apologize for them, you don't change your ways, what evidence is there in your actions which shows the existence of a deity? I would put forth there is none. That, if anything, your actions show the absence of a deity.

I would also say your response to Hokulele is further evidence of this. If we expect changes in people's lives, would not the first act be to accept responsibility for our own? If women are "uppity," why wouldn't that be a good thing, since subservient women aren't accepting responsibility for their own actions? (You, by the way, are a prime example of this.)

The reality, Kathy, is that as you continue your prattle about the Rapture, you're using it as a means to avoid any responsibility to anyone else, including to your own family, and to you community at large. You have yet to answer what you plan on doing when Jesus once again fails to show up as scheduled, and you're still here, stuck on the same ball of mud as the rest of us. That, in and of itself, tells us you have nothing to offer.

I am now in a dispute with people who believe in much the same way you do. Supposedly, based on something Paul said, I'm not supposed to take them to court, even though I'm not a believer. In fact, I fully intend to do just that, if for no other reason than to clear my name from a DOT citation which is theirs, not mine, for their failure to maintain their equipment. They wanted me to pay for maintenance, even though the truck is not mine. They wanted me to take the hit on my driving record for their failures in their company, even though the company is not mine.

You, in a similar fashion, want other people to accept responsibility for your life, even though it is not ours. Seeing a pattern here?

No, Kathy, you're not "Rapture Ready." Even if there were a Rapture, you have yet to accept any responsibility for your own actions. Not worth the time.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Jesus still is the great miracle worker, and the best miracle is salvation through a changed heart.
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No. It is not. The best miracle would be for everyone who prays in Jesus's name to be instantly cured
of cancer. That would be an impressive miracle that would lead billions to Christ.
 
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kurious_kathy said:
What's important in Christianity is we learn to submit to the Lord and the way he ordaines things. The man is still called to be the head of the household and the spiritual leader for his family too.
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The head of my household and spiritual leader of his family screwed a different woman almost every night of the 13-year marriage. He told me, afterwards, that he did.

The HoH and SLoF used alcohol, cocaine, and methamphetamine for most of the 13-year marriage.

The HoH and SLoF hit me hard enough to twice cause hairline fractures in my nose, and left numerous bruises on my body many times during that 13 years.

The HoH and SLoF controlled me with emotional abuse, mental abuse, and physical abuse for 13 years.

The HoH and SLoF hit me in the head with the bible when I confronted him with his abuse and infidelities, and he screamed at me to SUBMIT to his "authority" which, translated, meant "I can **** anyone I want, C-word, and you better not challenge me about it again!"

And me? I wondered for 13 years why his behavior was all right with God and other Christians.

Maybe you can explain why it was all right with your god for the HoH and SLoF to act that way to his wife, over whom he had dominion, eh?

I explain it thusly:

God doesn't exist, and so can't stop anything.
And I was a moron for taking it.
I got better.
 
Slingblade

I was beaten nearly every day of my life by the father of the household.
I was sexually abused by the father of the household's best friend from ages 6-9. My father used to drop me off at the single mens quarters where the abuser lived in a 3m x 3m room about once a week.

My family had no religion.

When I was 8 years old I used to take myself off to Sunday School every week because I was led to believe by people in my street, just like KK, that I had to pray to God and Jesus to be considered a good little girl. Obviously as a 6 year old I wasnt a good girl and thats why those men did bad things to me.
So there I was - a little girl fervently believing in the biggest fairy tale of all, that Jesus and God would save me. Boy did I pray for relief from my misery. I mean I was in hell before I even died. God and Jesus were obviously too busy to consider my request. I gave up around the age of 10 when I figured out all I had to do was survive until I was 16 years old and could get out.
Which I did. I am 40 now.

I won a bible for best attendance at Sunday School. No one ever asked me where my family was or why I was alone, I guess they were too busy counting the sheep. I still have that bible today to remind me that there are really whacked out people in this world - perpetrators of abuse and perpetrators of ********.

Rapture, Armageddon, Hell, Heaven, Paradise.
Make sure you choose wisely which way you are gonna go KK - you wouldnt wanna end up knocking at the wrong door now would you?
 
Farencue, I'm so sorry for the little girl you were. I'm glad you survived and got out. I hope life has been better for you. I can tell a similar tale of childhood sexual abuse, except it was the fathers of my little friends. My own father, with whom I did not live, never hit me or hurt me. He didn't care enough about me to abuse me in person.

Thank you for telling your story, too. I've always thought that of all the horrible things out there in the world, a child being hurt should be the one thing an all-powerful god would want to stop. Free will or no free will, I'd think an all-powerful and loving god could find some way to see to it that little girls and boys don't have to endure such things. Or that the men and women who do these things could somehow be made to stop.

What kind of god creates beings that can even entertain such notions? Why aren't the safe-guards against that much, at least, built into us if we're designed? And if it comes down to the free will argument again, then why are we told to pray for anything? Prayers can't be answered, people can't be healed, or rescued, or stopped...because that all interferes with free will.

It just comes down to the fact that some people are garbage, and some people aren't, and most people act like a mix of the two, most of the time, and that, my friends, is life. No god-buddy to help you through any of it. Just us, each other.

I wish some folks would realize that people are all we have, and we need to be good to each other. No god is needed for that.

Farencue, have a long and sincere hug from me. Have as many as you like.
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Thanks Slingblade, I gratefully accept the hug and offer you one in return.
I have a great life today and hope you do too, free from abuse, hate and prejudice.

I spend a lot of time pondering why there are so many religions, how can they all possibly be right? And why oh why are they all so self righteous and hateful towards other Christians and other religions like Islam? Why can you read the writings of so many people on recovery boards - abused by their own in the name of religion?
To me religion is the biggest con of all time, no matter which flavour. It is based only on fear.

Where I live at the moment I am sandwiched between 2 lots of Jehovah Witnesses and have heard about Armageddon. Since I told them Im an atheist, their tight, pursed lips and narrowed eyes silently speak volumes to me whenever I have the misfortune to be outside at the same time as them. I must say they do have exquisite gardens - obviously readying for the kingdom on earth. They do not speak to me AT ALL because I am ...whatever. They just send the rest of their congregation to my house instead to witness lol...I wont bore you with the suggestions I give them about what to do with all that literature they shove at you.

I thought I had found a great hairdresser (even though they take cash only) until they started taking out full page colour newspaper adverts about how Jesus is a pig etc...ah here we have the pretend Jews, the Messies, who know better than everyone else. They are new to this area, which happens to be full of Catholic Italian farmer families. Absolute salts of the earth who provide most of the food in this region. What a disgusting, despicable thing to do in the name of YHWH.
Interestingly, todays local paper had a letter of apology from the male pig hating hairdresser. He had to apologise for treating an autistic client badly in his salon!
The autistic person and their mother made a complaint to the anti discrimination board - I would love to know what was said to the customer, as the pig haters have started being more brazen with their preaching while customers are trapped in their salon.

Of course we have the Mormons popping in as well, I feel sorry for the children, being dragged around in the heat for hours, suffering in the name of whoever their skydaddy is. But of course the sheep hunters are banking on my concern for the children (getting water, offering them a place out of the heat for a while) stupidly mistaking humaneness for an interest in their message.

Can anyone tell me why religious people cant just live their beliefs, mind their own business, live and let live etc? Why do they have to spread the word?
Why is it that most religions are not evolved enough to have courage in their own convictions and let the rest of us get on with reality?
Hmm, courage - the opposite of fear.
 
You know, if you want to be a christian, that is fine with me but christian isn't going out and telling everyone how much of a christian you, it isn't badgering people that don't want to be bothered with superstition and out and out lies perpetrated for all these years, christian is how you act, not what you say.

if you are such a "christian", why not go out a help someone that may not ever be able to pay you back or donate money or time to homeless shelters without using your captive audience to boost your own ego by turning their life around by showing them the "way"? Don't you realize what a self indulgent act that is? or is it just me?

Instead, you spend time trying to convert people that do not want to be converted, that is not a martyr, that is just plain lazy. Go do some real work for your "God", he knows you are really not putting much effort out here, you know, he sees all!
 
Yes, I am interested in KK's response. I would wager that I didnt truly believe, didnt give of myself fully, didnt pray hard enough or was asking the WRONG skydaddy for help. There seems to be a few to choose from. Im banking on asking the wrong skydaddy for help. Im sure KK's God would have helped me out if only I knew to ask that one.

The deception really gets to me. Another example: my son's school thought they would help the "poor kids" overseas by taking part in something called Operation Christmas Child years ago. My son spent all his money packing the shoebox with practical things for the underprivileged child who should have received a gift with no strings attached. He was so excited to help another child his age and for that child to know others in this world CARE. Its called HUMANITY and as Slingblade says, it is all we have: each other.

Uh uh not to be. This gig is run by an outfit called Samaritans Purse. They are not about giving badly needed things to underprivileged children like toothbrushes, soap, clothes, shoes etc...from one child to another to balance the equation between the haves and have nots.

The recipients are expected to sign up for Bible Study and are given literature
about God and Jesus. They are also told the gift is "from Jesus".
The gifts are not from Jesus, they are from humanitarians such as my son.
This organisation has been in trouble for preaching in countries who do not practice "Christianity" Only self righteous God botherers would have the audacity to believe children with their own religion could be easily bribed to become sheep.

I used to sponsor a child through World Vision but became suspicious of a few things. After doing some research, I was disappointed to find that yep another lot of Bible thumpers under the guise of "helping the unfortunate".

Now I donate to humanitarian groups only eg: a group of local women got together and organised free goods transport to Indonesia and Sri Lanka after the tsunami. They co ordinated donations of goods and oversaw the transport to these countries, flew there themselves at their own cost and unloaded the goods for distribution. The transport was paid for by a shipping company.
Not a whiff of religion involved, no ulterior motive except to help our fellow humans.
 
generosity and kindness without recognition, that is what giving is all about.

i am very sorry for your experiences but i am happy for your getting better!
 
Farencue said:
Yes, I am interested in KK's response. I would wager that I didnt truly believe, didnt give of myself fully, didnt pray hard enough or was asking the WRONG skydaddy for help. There seems to be a few to choose from. Im banking on asking the wrong skydaddy for help. Im sure KK's God would have helped me out if only I knew to ask that one.

The deception really gets to me. Another example: my son's school thought they would help the "poor kids" overseas by taking part in something called Operation Christmas Child years ago. My son spent all his money packing the shoebox with practical things for the underprivileged child who should have received a gift with no strings attached. He was so excited to help another child his age and for that child to know others in this world CARE. Its called HUMANITY and as Slingblade says, it is all we have: each other.

Uh uh not to be. This gig is run by an outfit called Samaritans Purse. They are not about giving badly needed things to underprivileged children like toothbrushes, soap, clothes, shoes etc...from one child to another to balance the equation between the haves and have nots.

The recipients are expected to sign up for Bible Study and are given literature
about God and Jesus. They are also told the gift is "from Jesus".
The gifts are not from Jesus, they are from humanitarians such as my son.
This organisation has been in trouble for preaching in countries who do not practice "Christianity" Only self righteous God botherers would have the audacity to believe children with their own religion could be easily bribed to become sheep.

I used to sponsor a child through World Vision but became suspicious of a few things. After doing some research, I was disappointed to find that yep another lot of Bible thumpers under the guise of "helping the unfortunate".

Now I donate to humanitarian groups only eg: a group of local women got together and organised free goods transport to Indonesia and Sri Lanka after the tsunami. They co ordinated donations of goods and oversaw the transport to these countries, flew there themselves at their own cost and unloaded the goods for distribution. The transport was paid for by a shipping company.
Not a whiff of religion involved, no ulterior motive except to help our fellow humans.
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A hug for you, Farencue and I admire your overcoming such a miserable childhood.
 
Hi Wendy and Mikillini

I shared my story not for pity but to illustrate what a load of rubbish religion is. Thankyou for your well wishes, they are much appreciated.

I have my own family to care for and they are my No 1 priority, but in the meantime we donate what we can to humanitarian causes in the way of money and goods.
One day in the future, when my children dont need me as they do now, I will do all I can to provide shelter and hope for abused children here in Australia.

If I survived perhaps they will too.
 
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