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Waterboarding Rocks!

SezMe said:
Continuing to engage with BAC and Cicero would be Exhibit A supporting the claim that I am, in fact, a masochist. :)
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Pretty much. BAC and Cicero would bit their own legs off before ever possibly admitting that they're wrong about anything.
 
BeAChooser said:
Liberal thinking is going to get a lot of Americans killed in a terrorist attack before long.
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I never thought I'd hear myself say this because I support the war in Iraq, but more than 5 000 US soldiers have been killed due to "conservative thinking".

Your point is irrelevant, and ridiculous, if you even thought you had one to make.
 
Pardalis said:
I'm not lying, that's what has been reported in the news. Nobody knows after how many times he confessed, if it took 183 times that doesn't bode well for that technique, it shows it's more abusive than effective.



"One of your own"? I'm not even American.
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He was not waterboarded 183 times. I first brought this up 3 days ago and now it is being confirmed:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...ts-khalid-sheikh-mohammed-waterboarded-times/
Despite Reports, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Was Not Waterboarded 183 Times



The New York Times reported last week that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, was waterboarded 183 times in one month by CIA interrogators. The "183 times" was widely circulated by news outlets throughout the world.

It was shocking. And it was highly misleading. The number is a vast inflation, according to information from a U.S. official and the testimony of the terrorists themselves.

A U.S. official with knowledge of the interrogation program told FOX News that the much-cited figure represents the number of times water was poured onto Mohammed's face -- not the number of times the CIA applied the simulated-drowning technique on the terror suspect. According to a 2007 Red Cross report, he was subjected a total of "five sessions of ill-treatment."
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Texas said:
He was not waterboarded 183 times. I first brought this up 3 days ago and now it is being confirmed:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...ts-khalid-sheikh-mohammed-waterboarded-times/
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But even if was poured on him 183 times during 5 sessions, he was still waterboarded 183 times, since drowning is simulated each time, right?

Five session I admit seems a bit less doggedly but still, I don't think it's right ethically, even if you water down the word "torture" to "ill-treatment", you still sit the guy down to make him suffer. (although I won't shed any tears for that SOB).

Once you start permitting it one time, you start permitting it five times, and a hundred times after that, and I don't want to go down that road. It's just not right.
 
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boloboffin said:
Would you like a glass of water to help that distinction down?
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So you now move the goal post when it is proven that KSM was waterboarded 5 times instead of 183 as the entire world was led to believe? Thjis is no different than that phony Lancet study on Iraqi deaths. The numbers or so outrageously falsifiable that it is inevitable that they will be discredited. The problem is that the lies are front page news and the truth when it comes out is buried in the classified ads.
 
Pardalis said:
But even if was poured on him 183 times during 5 sessions, he was still waterboarded 183 times, since drowning is simulated each time, right?

Five session I admit seems a bit less doggedly but still, I don't think it's right ethically, even if you water down the word "torture" to "ill-treatment", you still sit the guy down to make him suffer. (although I won't shed any tears for that SOB).

Once you start permitting it one time, you start permitting it five times, and a hundred times after that, and I don't want to go down that road. It's just not right.
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No. You cannot drown with your entire body submerged for 10 seconds much less with water poured through a rag for 10 second. The entire argument is absurd.
 
It sounds oddly like saying, "They struck him 200 times"

Then it's said, "No! That was just the number of times a stick actually hit him! It was really 5 times (40 times he was struck with a stick each time)! This makes it TOTALLY better!"
 
Texas said:
No. You cannot drown with your entire body submerged for 10 seconds much less with water poured through a rag for 10 second.
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It doesn't matter if one can't drown in 10 seconds (although I don't really know, can't we?), one can have the impression of drowning in 10 seconds, for sure, and that's the whole point.
 
Pardalis said:
But even if was poured on him 183 times during 5 sessions, he was still waterboarded 183 times, since drowning is simulated each time, right?

Five session I admit seems a bit less doggedly but still, I don't think it's right ethically, even if you water down the word "torture" to "ill-treatment", you still sit the guy down to make him suffer. (although I won't shed any tears for that SOB).

Once you start permitting it one time, you start permitting it five times, and a hundred times after that, and I don't want to go down that road. It's just not right.
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Then we should just put a bullet in their brains as soon as they are capured. No one even knew we had the 3 waterboarded terrorists until they were transferred to GITMO from the CIA black sites. You tell me why, if the CIA knew this was torture that they didn't just kill them after they got all the information they needed?
 
Pardalis said:
It doesn't matter if one can't drown in 10 seconds (although I don't really know, can't we?), one can have the impression of drowning in 10 seconds, for sure, and that's the whole point.
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Yes that is the whole point. If he knew he was in no danger he would not talk. Now those that haven't yet been captured know that so the procedure is worthless.
 
Lonewulf said:
It sounds oddly like saying, "They struck him 200 times"

Then it's said, "No! That was just the number of times a stick actually hit him! It was really 5 times (40 times he was struck with a stick each time)! This makes it TOTALLY better!"
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Ok then is it 10 dentist appointments if he tells you to spit 10 times during one visit?
 
Texas said:
Then we should just put a bullet in their brains as soon as they are capured. No one even knew we had the 3 waterboarded terrorists until they were transferred to GITMO from the CIA black sites. You tell me why, if the CIA knew this was torture that they didn't just kill them after they got all the information they needed?
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What kind of argument is that? Do you really think that this furthers your point?
 
Texas said:
You tell me why, if the CIA knew this was torture that they didn't just kill them after they got all the information they needed?
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I don't know. Maybe they understood that there wouldn't be any justification for murder. They thought they could get away with torture by playing with words, like "ill treatment" or "harsh interrogation technique", and they could always claim the law doesn't apply to them, but murder is murder, fortunately they at least had the decency to know that.
 
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