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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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Lothian said:
Sounds an incredible event. I would love to hear in greater detail what happened from Peter, James and John rather than hearsay from Mark.

This must have been the most incredible event of their lives and being eye witnesses I expect they went in to great detail.
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Touche!

They have the cheek to call them the synoptic gospels too.
 
Mojo said:
Evidence?
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To answer this question you must see others who say they know Jesus and ask them how he has changed their lives. That's your job not mine. Jesus changes a person for the better and he doesn't quit the good work he has started in every believer.
 
kurious_kathy said:
To answer this question you must see others who say they know Jesus and ask them how he has changed their lives. That's your job not mine. Jesus changes a person for the better and he doesn't quit the good work he has started in every believer.
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Gee, so you have an imaginary friend and he tells you everything you need to hear, funny how that all works out for you, just like he know you so well, I just wonder how that happens.

Paul

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It is you KK, just you, get on with your live and forgive yourself for being human and making mistakes.
 
Hokulele said:
No, like DOC, you are making the error of confusing belief in something with the existence of something.

Try again.
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Hokulele, I am not the woman I was, Jesus changed me. I was once lost and drowning in my sin but now I am forgiven and set free. It truly is astonishing when Jesus saves a person, not just heresay. Are there any other believers you know that have shared with you?
 
kurious_kathy said:
Hokulele, I am not the woman I was, Jesus changed me. I was once lost and drowning in my sin but now I am forgiven and set free.
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Then why are your posts so mind-bogglingly full of nonsense?

Doesn't your messiah want us to share in your knowledge?
 
kurious_kathy said:
Are there any other believers you know that have shared with you?
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Yes; but according to you many of them are devil worshipers(Mormon's etc.) and are not "true" Christians.

You are not sharing your beliefs, in fact you don't have any understanding of it and are vomiting it over this forum. No one likes the smell and sight of regurgitated nonsense.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Hokulele, I am not the woman I was, Jesus changed me. I was once lost and drowning in my sin but now I am forgiven and set free. It truly is astonishing when Jesus saves a person, not just heresay. Are there any other believers you know that have shared with you?
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Paulhoff waits to see KK Goosestep by him.

No KK, you changed you, no magic man in the sky did, you did.

Paul

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Paulhoff said:
Paulhoff waits to see KK Goosestep by him.

No KK, you changed you, no magic man in the sky did, you did.

Paul

:) :) :)
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No way. Jesus pulled me from the pit I got myself in and He gave me a new beginning. When we accept him he comes to live in us and we become more like him. I could never have made the changes myself, and believe me I had tried for years. I on my own am unable. It's only through Christ that I can do all things, especially walk away from a life of sin. Do you really think that is an easy thing to do? People get very comfortable in our sin it's really hard to surrender our will to Gods. Jesus gives us the abilbity to live a more Godly life. His righteousness, NOT mine. Christ in me my hope of glory!
 
kurious_kathy said:
Hokulele, I am not the woman I was, Jesus changed me.
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No, your belief in Jesus changed you. There is no evidence that Jesus currently exists.

I was once lost and drowning in my sin but now I am forgiven and set free. It truly is astonishing when Jesus saves a person, not just heresay.
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I have heard the same from believers in other things/faiths. Again, it isn't that karma and reincarnation is true, but their belief in it.

There is no such thing as sin.

Are there any other believers you know that have shared with you?
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No, the Christians I know in real life see no need to harass people with their beliefs.
 
Hokulele said:
Who cares? That has nothing to do with the point I was making to KK. Nice evasion of the problem with your holy book.

ETA: DOC's latest posts in this thread demonstrate one of the fundamental problems with the way he thinks. Apparently if any part of a book/hypothesis is false, you can simply throw away the entire thing. If Ehrman gets one thing wrong (and I have never argued for Ehrman's inerrancy), DOC feels justified in ignoring everything the man has written. This is most likely why he is so defensive over the the concept that the bible has errors, because he apparently believes that if any one part of the bible is wrong/false, he has to throw everything in it away. That also seems to account for why DOC cannot grasp many basic scientific theories. Sad, really.
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Okay Hokulele, you are into science, right? I'm not but I can crasp some of it. Anyways did you happen to read or see "The Case For The Creator?" If so what was your opinion of Lee Strobels journey? I think he is someone many of you would do well to heed listening too as he too was an atheist and not easily convinced about God until he took his journey to faith through science. Did you read this book?
 
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kurious_kathy said:
Okay Hokulele, you are into science, right? I'm not but I can crasp some of it. Anyways did you happen to read or see "The Case For The Creator?" If so what was your opinion of Lee Strobles journey? I think he is someone many of you would do well to heed listening too as he too was an atheist and not easily conviced about God until he took his journey to faith through science. Did you read this book?
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Tell you what, let's make another challenge out of this. I will give you another book to read/listen to, this time on science and how it works (I am thinking one of Stephen Jay Gould's collections of essays would be appropriate). If you can demonstrate that you have read the essay of my choice, I will read your book and offer a critique. Once you accept, I will start a new thread over in R&P to discuss this.

You should know judging by the last challenge that I will uphold my end of the bargain. Will you?
 
kurious_kathy said:
I'm not but I can crasp some of it.
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I'm sorry KK, but I do not believe you on this point.

Can you give an example of a scientific theory that you understand.
Examples:
1.) Evolution
2.) Any law of thermodynamics
3.) any of Newtons laws of motion
4.) Law of gravitiy


Just describe in a couple sentences what the theory is and give an example of evidence for it.
 
Hokulele said:
but their belief in it.

There is no such thing as sin.
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Yet belief informs behavior. Pragmatically, there is such a thing as sin, if only there is such a thing as deviance from right behavior, as informed by received wisdom, and then the consequent guilt.

But that is OT.

At the heart of this is a fundamental misunderstanding of words.

Testimony and personal witness to one's personal experience are very relevant evidence, as proffered by DOC and KK.if I might advance them as logical arguments

Yet in the context of a skeptical forum, the word "evidence" includes the notion of an independently verifiable conclusion as to its veracity--that is to say, not begging the question. In other words, something other than confirmation bias needs to support DOC's assertions.

It's a question of context--pearls before swine; wise as serpents and meek as doves--and all that. :duck:

If you, DOC, really want to bring your message here, then you really need to get a better grasp on sophistry. ;)
 
Hokulele said:
No, like DOC, you are making the error of confusing belief in something with the existence of something.
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When someone goes from being a drug addict to drug free, or goes from someone who uses a lot of profanity to using none, and claims it was done through the power of Jesus, what evidence do you have that it is not Jesus. Christ did say the Kingdom of God does not come through observation but is within you.

Luke 17: 20 (Christ speaking)

The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

You have no evidence it is not Jesus, but the person who experiences the change does have evidence. Your opinion of their experience and their unobservable evidence (as Christ stated) is irrelevant.
 
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DOC said:
Hokulele said:
No, like DOC, you are making the error of confusing belief in something with the existence of something.

Try again.
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When someone goes from being a drug addict to drug free, or goes from someone who uses a lot of profanity to using none, and claims it was done through the power of Jesus, what evidence do you have that it is not Jesus.
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See your evidence? Exactly that, just in reverse :)

Hokulele invited you to try again

Not lie again
 
six7s said:
See your evidence? Exactly that, just in reverse :)

Hokulele invited you to try again
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You might have missed this part, some of it was added:

Christ did say the Kingdom of God does not come through observation but is within you.

Luke 17: 20 (Christ speaking)

The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

You have no evidence it is not Jesus, but the person who experiences the change does have evidence. Your opinion of their experience and their unobservable evidence (as Christ stated) is irrelevant.
 
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