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The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

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Dfoot's name is certainly not Blevins.

For the record (and I'm sure he will correct me if I'm wrong) he is actually a stunt co-ordinator and also directs action sequences. I think in the stunt world he is known as a specialist in wire-work.

He has never claimed to be a creature suit expert & I think he actually stated he wished he'd taken more notice of the processes involved when his work called for him to wear a creature suit. He is well placed 'in town' to talk to the right folks though.
 
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JohnWS said:
Dfoot's name is certainly not Blevins.

For the record (and I'm sure he will correct me if I'm wrong) he is actually a stunt co-ordinator and also directs action sequences. I think in the stunt world he is known as a specialist in wire-work.

He has never claimed to be a creature suit expert & I think he actually stated he wished he'd taken more notice of the processes involved when his work called for him to wear a creature suit. He is well placed 'in town' to talk to the right folks though.
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Not really John. He talks alot about Rogers personal life, most of it highly inaccurate. Still though, I wonder if D has got the skinny on the Home videos Patterson made in his Documentary.
 
kitakaze said:
Funny how selective you are with which relevant issues you think need to be looked at in-depth. Because you are an obviously biased believer you pursue whatever point might support your preconceived notions but others that are very troubling for that belief are fled from and evaded. Like the issue concerning these photos:

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You wear your belief like a Carmen Miranda fruit hat.

You were the one who started this threaad and you run from one of the most relevant issues of all.
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Hey kitz. Where did the far left picture come from? Was it from the Documentary Patterson made?
 
Crowlogic said:
Patterson hoaxing Gimlin without Gimlin's knowledge is absurd. It would have required Patterson planting BH in the locaiton,helping BH into the very bulky and hot suit then having BH wait at the spot for an extended period of time while Patterson rode 2 miles back to get Gimlin then waiting while Gimlin readies himself and they ride SLOWLY (remember they're supposed to be searching for Bigfoot) back to the location where BH is waiting in the HOT suit. So just how long would BH have been in that hot suit? 1, maybe 1.5 hours? Then what happens to BH once he's managed to flawlessly walk across stage and disappear into the woods. Running as he fades into the forest. Who got him out of the suit and how did he get far enough away quick enough for Gimlin not to catch up while still on horseback? I doubt BH would have been sprinting any 4 minute miles in that thing.

Lastly what's the point of hauling Gimlin out to the woods only to fool him? Patterson still would have had to contend with BH a potential whistle blower once they all returned to Yakima. As far as hoax vs real its either all a hoax with P.G,BH in on it or its real.
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Well, we seem to be transferring the discussion of Gimlin's presumed complicity in the hoax to this thread, which I suppose is the more apt repository, so I'll comment here.

Again, from a purely speculative standpoint, it's at least plausible that BH (or whoever) might have been able to get into the suit on his own, without help from a second party. I've worn elaborate costumes which I applied myself, and in the case of a pants-suit-gloves-shoes-mask combo, it's really not much of a challenge. Also, late October in northern CA is not exactly warm, so all assertions that the suit must have been "HOT" (in all caps or otherwise) are spurious.

I'm not saying that Gimlin definitely didn't know or anything of the sort. I'm simply countering the assertions that people are making that in their mind constitute definite evidence that he must have been complicit in the case of a hoax.
 
SweatyYeti said:
I'm looking forward to seeing your 3D animation, neltana.

Just think.....positively! ;)
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Okay. My incoherent explanation is ready. Since it involves animation, I put it on YouTube. I think converting it to an animated GIF would yield something too big to upload.



Now, I usually don't follow links offsite and I apologize in advance that these are 3:24 seconds of your life that you will not get back.

Bottom line: I was able to substantially replicate Mangler's poser images using a different software package and a different model. I think this lends credence to his conclusion that both Bob and Patty appear to be in a normal human range.
 
JohnWS said:
Sorry, not with you here. Are you saying my background info on Dfoot is incorrect? That's all I was trying to fill in given what was posted up-thread.
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No. I said that Dfoot went into irrelevant backround information about Patterson.
 
rockinkt said:
I think it would be great fun if LT and I were able to hook-up and do a proper interview of both Gimlin and BH.

I'm willing to bet that Gimlin would turn us down flat - as is his custom - but BH would be game.

What is your schedule like over the year LT?
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In and out of CONUS but I have initiated the contact process for BH and I'll get with you offline shortly.

I think we can really make some headway on the subject by getting a better iew from him.

If he is lying, he needs to be taken out of the BF picture and just be a one liner in history.

If he isnt however- theres history
 
GT/CS said:
A poster at the BFF claims DFoot is Blevins.
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Not very smart. I guess Dfoot will stop having to be Jeff Pruitt if he's going to be Blevins:

Dfoot in the 411 PGF said:
Bill: People already know my real name and I've never tried to hide it. I've even shown photos of myself both at work and playing Bigfoot.

(snip)

But the head of Patty and the techniques used in the suit were those used by a certain group of guys and that's where Patty came from. Phase 3 is the correct answer. Patterson wanted to make a movie and sell it. That's just what he did.

Your pal,

Jeff Pruitt
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3603248&postcount=13708

Dfoot/Jeff mentioned a photo of him on set:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3545948&postcount=13118

Guy in the turtleneck.
 
neltana said:
Bottom line: I was able to substantially replicate Mangler's poser images using a different software package and a different model. I think this lends credence to his conclusion that both Bob and Patty appear to be in a normal human range.
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:bigclap

:wave1

:bounce2

:cheerleader4:cheerleader4

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Holy crap, neltana! That is AWESOME! I can't express enough how fantastic I think your work is there. Your contributions have been some of the best to this thread and you have provided excellent verification and replication of mangler's direct comparison. I have put your killer video on my favouritesand I know I will be linking it very, very, often. I have the utmost respect for your hands-on approach and am inspired to try and do similar things.

Three cheers for neltana!

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Well, thanks. Good software can make it so even schlubs like me look talented. However, the real props are to Mangler for trying the overlay in the first place. So much simpler than filming yourself walking through the snow!
 
SweatyYeti said:
Actually...those are two different skeletons...not one.
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Sweaty, you have denied mangler's own explanation and volunteering of information which shows that two separate skeletons were not used. You have persisted in claiming that mangler tried to hoax other skeptics at the JREF with fabricated evidence to support his preconceived notion that Patty's proportions match BH's. Neltana has just sunk your battleship. Your false accusation is destroyed utterly. Everytime you type the words "false accusation" you will be getting a link to the above post of yours followed by neltana's kickass youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhQ1Y3EqyN0

:bricks:

I am going to enjoy posting this truly direct comparison by neltana for you often. So, will you now offer an apology and retraction to mangler? I somewhat doubt that.

*BZZT* FAIL. Next. ;)
 
neltana said:
Well, thanks. Good software can make it so even schlubs like me look talented. However, the real props are to Mangler for trying the overlay in the first place. So much simpler than filming yourself walking through the snow!
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No kidding! Mangler does deserve praise. Your sweet vindication is the best kind. You've made my day with that. Thank you for your efforts.:)
 
neltana wrote:
Bottom line: I was able to substantially replicate Mangler's poser images using a different software package and a different model. I think this lends credence to his conclusion that both Bob and Patty appear to be in a normal human range.
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Thanks for creating that animation, neltana. :)

It'll make for some good analysing!


My favorite part is at the 2:15 mark.....the overlay of the skeleton over Patty supports what my truly direct (Bob-to-Patty-via-nothing-else ;)) comparisons have shown...that when Patty's and Bob's leg dimensions/body heights are scaled so they match, Bob's head is too large to fit inside of Patty's head.

In your animation....the skull over Patty's head is way oversized, by a very significant amount.

Later tonight (hopefully), I'll post an image of that overlay, to show exactly what I mean.



I also have a question about the frames between the 1:30 and 1:35 marks. The length of the upper arm bone shrinks significantly, within a very small degree of it's swing arc.
In fact....at the 1:31 mark, and at the 1:33 mark, there are 2 frames which show the arm in the equivalent place in the swing, only one is in the forward half, and the other is in the backward half of the swing....and yet the lengths of the upper arm bone are significantly different.

Can you possibly provide a short clip of that section of the video?
 
SweatyYeti said:
neltana wrote:



Thanks for creating that animation, neltana. :)

It'll make for some good analysing!


My favorite part is at the 2:15 mark.....the overlay of the skeleton over Patty supports what my truly direct (Bob-to-Patty-via-nothing-else ;)) comparisons have shown...that when Patty's and Bob's leg dimensions/body heights are scaled so they match, Bob's head is too large to fit inside of Patty's head.

In your animation....the skull over Patty's head is way oversized, by a very significant amount.

Later tonight (hopefully), I'll post an image of that overlay, to show exactly what I mean.



I also have a question about the frames between the 1:30 and 1:35 marks. The length of the upper arm bone shrinks significantly, within a very small degree of it's swing arc.
In fact....at the 1:31 mark, and at the 1:33 mark, there are 2 frames which show the arm in the equivalent place in the swing, only one is in the forward half, and the other is in the backward half of the swing....and yet the lengths of the upper arm bone are significantly different.

Can you possibly provide a short clip of that section of the video?
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Why do you expect him (and others) to do all your work for you? You're the one with the claim so you need to prove it.
 
If sweeti was able to do some basic logic, I would say this would be a clear set, win and match for Mangler/neltata. Problem is, sweeti is not able to do such absic logic. It does not take a genius to understand that when you are projecting a 3d model in a plan, if the plan is not the same (3d model turned on vertical exis) then some stuff will appear shorter or longer when projected into the plan. Do any of you think that sweeti will be convinced by any visual demonstration ? I doubt it. His Faith (or trolling) is way stronger than that.

ETA: and sweeti jsut demonstrated what I stated jsut 2 posts above.
 
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Great video, Neltana. Even if this kind of figure-posing software cannot definitively show that BH = Patty, it can (and does!) at least demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that Patty's limb proportions are well within the range of normal human variation. Mangler's initial overlays are impressive, and this video is still more so, not just as independent corroboration of Mangler's work, but as an imminently watchable, publicly accessible, visually entertaining study of this very human-looking figure.

If I were Jeff Glickman (of NASI), I'd be smacking myself in the forehead about now. ("Intermembral Index of 90?? WTH was I thinking???") ;)
 
SweatyYeti said:
My favorite part is at the 2:15 mark.....the overlay of the skeleton over Patty supports what my truly direct (Bob-to-Patty-via-nothing-else ;)) comparisons have shown...that when Patty's and Bob's leg dimensions/body heights are scaled so they match, Bob's head is too large to fit inside of Patty's head.

In your animation....the skull over Patty's head is way oversized, by a very significant amount.
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Come on Sweaty...this is the same old tired argument. Your first claim is blown out of the water and now you go back to claim #2, which was shown to be flawed before. That being Bob's head is not point enough, it is too square, or it just is too big to fit into "Bunny's" pea-size skull. Feel free to give us a measurement on how much larger the skull is. How much of a percent is it "way oversized"? Does this fall into the resolution range of the image? When I look at it, it does not appear "way oversized" and appears just about right. For that matter if you look at the skull in Bob's head, it looks about the same. If you listed to the entire clip, he stated the poses were not exact and it only takes a rotation or a tilt of the head and I bet the head will probably line up just nice into "bunny"'s skull. I guess he will have to do another video for you to demonstrate this. I don't need to have anybody hold my hand through this thought process but you apparently do.
 
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