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Waterboarding Rocks!

Cicero said:
Or we could make KSM read a gdnp post 183 times. I betcha before completing his initial attempt, KSM would beg for the H2O treatment.
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That's funny, I think that about BAC posts.

But feel free to admit that you think that information is torture. This actually explains a lot.
 
Lonewulf said:
That's funny, I think that about BAC posts.

But feel free to admit that you think that information is torture. This actually explains a lot.
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To find an admission that "information" is torture see the highlighted portion.
 
Cicero said:
To find an admission that "information" is torture see the highlighted portion.
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What? Are you mistaking BAC's blather for information?

("Information" is, in this context, a statement reflective of an actual objective fact,)
 
wow... so leftysergeant is calling people who oppose his viewpoint "torture fans" now. :confused:
What I would like to know is what he and the others who waterboarding makes squeamish had in mind to get information out of prisoners? I've said it before - I think if you cause someone physical pain, that's torture. If you cause someone mental stress, that's not. ALL interrogation involves mental stress. Without exception. The issue is the SEVERITY of the stress, which is completely subjective and varies from person to person.
 
and here is my post regarding the evidence that solitary confinement - even of "traditional" prisoners and POWs like McCain - causes physical changes to the brain and lasting psychological problems.
 
MikeSun5 said:
wow... so leftysergeant is calling people who oppose his viewpoint "torture fans" now. :confused:
What I would like to know is what he and the others who waterboarding makes squeamish had in mind to get information out of prisoners? I've said it before - I think if you cause someone physical pain, that's torture. If you cause someone mental stress, that's not.
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If the mental stress is induced by something like, shall we say, being made to listen to the screams of youre daughter being sexually molested, that is toruture, and the interrogator using this technique needs to be taken out and castrated with a dull knife.

ALL interrogation involves mental stress. Without exception. The issue is the SEVERITY of the stress, which is completely subjective and varies from person to person.
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You start out by acting like a civilized human being, and assuring the suspect that you are not evil and that he were well-advised to cooperate.

Going Gestapo on a man right out of the box just convinces him that you mean him harm regardless what he tells you and that there is nothing for him to gain from telling you anything.

It helps if you actually read the stuff you rant about. Try post number 413 of this thread. That worked. Waterboarding got us nothing we hadn't already had throw legal meansthat did not drag our country down to the level of the enemy to which you seem to think the Shrub was superior.

Yoo belongs in jail not only for conspiring to commit war crimes, but for encouraging that more of our valueable resources be spent on BS that gets us nothing
 
I've said this on another thread (that should be merged with this one) that I hate heights. If I was dangled off a balcony, I guarantee you I would be way more stressed out than if I was confined in a box with bugs, waterboarded, false flag interrogated, threatened, etc. Hanging me by cables over a sufficient drop would be the most agonizing thing I could think of (short of physical torture). My life would at no time be in danger, and I would sing like a bird. The severity of the mental stress depends on the phobias and stress tolerance of each individual suspect.
That being said, any silver-tongued lawyer could most definitely prosecute any random interrogator for torture. All they'd need is a made-up phobia and proof of severe mental stress. Both of which would be easy to simulate.
The current UN definition of torture would in effect render all known interrogation tactics useless.
 
MikeSun5 said:
The current UN definition of torture would in effect render all known interrogation tactics useless.
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You are obviously willfully ignorant, thus not even behaving like an adult at this point. you are, in fact, busted flat in a lie.

Go read post number 413 of this thread and come back and see if you can discuss this issue like an adult.
 
leftysergeant said:
If the mental stress is induced by something like, shall we say, being made to listen to the screams of youre daughter being sexually molested, that is toruture, and the interrogator using this technique needs to be taken out and castrated with a dull knife.
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Now you're just coming up with nonsense examples to dodge valid points. Current interrogation techniques DO NOT involve people's families. The suspects are being interrogated, not loved ones. You think Guantanamo is filled with the family members of Taliban officials? Get a grip.
 
MikeSun5 said:
Now you're just coming up with nonsense examples to dodge valid points. Current interrogation techniques DO NOT involve people's families. The suspects are being interrogated, not loved ones. You think Guantanamo is filled with the family members of Taliban officials? Get a grip.
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It happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. And Yoo should be placed in a ConEx box and taken to meet the families of the peole it happened to.
 
leftysergeant said:
and the interrogator using this technique needs to be taken out and castrated with a dull knife.
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leftysergeant said:
You are obviously willfully ignorant, thus not even behaving like an adult at this point.
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Because adults say that people should be castrated with a dull knife... Willfully ignorant, indeed.

I've read post #413, but you're still ducking: What is your idea of an effective interrogation technique that leaves the suspect all warm and fuzzy afterward?
And if waterboarding was so deadly dangerous, why would they subject their own interrogators to it during training?
 
Cicero said:
To find an admission that "information" is torture see the highlighted portion.
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If you're so lost in partisan dogmatic stupidity that you mistake BAC's "posts" as information, I'm not entirely sure any further discussion will be of use.
 
Lonewulf said:
If you're so lost in partisan dogmatic stupidity that you mistake BAC's "posts" as information, I'm not entirely sure any further discussion will be of use.
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I made no such estimation of BAC"s posts. However, you did make that estimation of gdnp's "posts."
 
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