NSA Document Flight 93 intercepted coming soon

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ULTIMA1 said:
Well the reserve unit does not know much about security. What clearence do you all have?
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Several members of my unit have Secret, Top Secret, and TS/SCI clearances, some with polygraphs. And no, I won't tell you which one I have, since I prefer not to make myself a target of FIS agents. As for not knowing much about security; the US military is REQUIRED to give a yearly class in OPSEC, INFOSEC, and PHYSEC; the Army also must give yearly SAEDA courses, all of which cover the very issues we've been discussing here. And all of which say YOU have committed a security violation numerous times.

I still have not posted anything that would be considered a security breach.
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Maybe in your little fantasy world. But out here in the real world, trust me, you have.



I have posted plenty of documents that others have figured out where i work. Why is it so difficult for you and other believers to figure it out?
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Probably because I reported you to the NSA SSO and they seemed to think you were in violation of several security rules. So if you actually worked there, you'd be in deep you-know-what by now and would probably have lost your job due to violating your nondisclosure agreement. Since you're still bragging you work there, my personal opinion is that you are lying your little tushie off. Simple and easy. Any other questions?
 
The DNA was found and positively identified as coming from the passengers, as it was compared to control samples of known passenger DNA gathered from family members.

TAM:)
 
ULTIMA1 said:
1. No, there are no actual photos or videos of flight 77 hitting the pentagon.
There are no reports that the bodies from flight 77 were in the Pentagon.
There are no official reports matching parts found to flight 77.

2. No, There is some specualtion as to how the hijackers took over the planes so fast.
There are no FDR information for these flights.
There are no official reports matching parts found to flights AA11 and UA175.

3. Actually there was more the 19, you are forgetting the other flights that had possible hijackers get off once the flights were turned around.
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U1/Roger - Your response to No3 (my bold) is very puzzling? Please clarify!

On the one hand you admit that atleast 19 hijackers where involved yet your responses to No1 & No2 imply something completely different?

Of these 19 hijackers (which you believe was actually more) how many where actually involved and on which aircraft?
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Were the bodies from the plane ID'd as being in the Pentagon, or were they the workers in the building?
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As someone who proclaims an illustrious career in the USAF, Law Enforcement and NSA and with various analytical positions, I find it very odd that you are asking questions about DNA when clearly there is a plethora of evidence to be found about specific body part numbers, diagrams of how and where found, how families helped in providing DNA matched articles etc etc etc .

Any analyst, specifically one whith such a career as you proclaim would know that all this info is readily available and easily found. Hell - JREF has it all MR ANALYST - NOT!
 
ULTIMA1 said:
As far as government reports go (9/11 commission report) if 1 part is proven wrong then the whole report is suspect and needs to be investigated.
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No. This is an utterly fallacious mindset. One single element does not and can not overturn what we know about UA93. The evidence regarding that flight's fate originate from multiple sources, and different ones from the source reporting the absence of flights in the area. The 9/11 Commision merely gathered that information and centralized it. What we know about FL93 can be confirmed by examining the original data.

Single elements can not overturn narratives built from multiple converging sources anymore than, say, imperfect inheritance patterns in peas invalidates Mendel's discoveries, or silly objections to minute points about the Holocaust narrative invalidates the entire Holocaust narrative. The evidence is too varied and comes from too many diverse sources to be invalidated by a single issue.

Ultima, you can chant that '1-part-in-doubt, all-in-doubt' mantra all you want, but it doesn't make it right. Ultimately, the correctness of the information stems from the fact it has been confirmed in multiple, independent ways. Nothing about the document you claim to have read changes that. For the umpteenth time, it cannot refute the FDR, CVR, calls, witnesses, or cleanup crew testimonies. Nothing you say can change any of that.
 
T.A.M. said:
So the same people who would cover up a shoot down, who would cover up a controlled demolition of the towers, that would cover up all this, are simply going to let you have access to information, and more than that, declassify it for you, and allow you to blow the whole thing?

Wait, is that the sound of helicopters outside your house Roger?

TAM:D
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:eek: wht hasn't the tM caught on to this earlier? All they have to do is ask various depts to supply the docuements pertaining to the ;
explosives in the WTC buildings,
explosives or missile in the Pentagon event,
beam weapons used on 9/11,
decoy aircraft at the Pentagon on 911,
the creation of a crater to look like a plane crash in Penn. on 911

There must be some documentation somewhere and if asked they simply must provide it or at least admit it exists but give reason why you can't see it.
He11, since gov't agencies need not apply to FOIA all the 911 Commission needed to do was ask for this stuff and failing that to request it through FOIA that one of their friends could file for them. Not enough time and money ,my foot!
 
ULTIMA1 said:
THEY DO SHOW ID BUT THEY DO NOT SHOW THE BODIES FROM THE PLANE WERE IN THE PENTAGON.

3. Do you have any OFFICIAL documents to prove your assertion in #3, given you consider official documents to be the Rosetta Stone for all this?

TAM:)
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Is evidence filed in a court case 'official' enough for you?
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html
Scroll down to P200318 for an interactive download of the body pieces found and who they were identified as coming from.

For instance we see that item number 330 found in the middle of the Pentagon crash area belonged to Suzanne Calley, a passenger on AA 77

Item 968 is identified as one of the hijackers. The name does not appear given that they did not have positive DNA to compare it to.
 
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WHy are you so afraid to answer this question, Roger? :confused:

Have you read the followup reports to the main CRITIC and if not, why?

Why are you so afraid to answer that, Roger?
 
ULTIMA1 said:
I never claimed anything i posted was classified.

the NSa Critic is classified
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I'm not following your logic. Tell me where I'm wrong:
1) You claimed that the NSA Critic is Classified

2) You've posted information which you claim to be contained in this critic (Ex: Flight 93 was intercepted or shot down)

3) The source of the information outlined in #2 is this classified critic

4) If the source of the information outlined in #2 is the NSA critic mentioned in #1, then the information is classified.
 
Sabrina said:
And no, I won't tell you which one I have, since I prefer not to make myself a target of FIS agents.
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And this is the point I've been making all along. Anyone who's been read in to the programs at NSA doesn't go around talking about what they do or don't have access to in ANY forum. I don't care whether it's the bar down the street, Thanksgiving with the family, in bed with the wife, or on an Internet forum.

Hell, I'm not even active duty anymore. My clearance lapsed when I left the service - and I'm not about to go around telling ANYBODY what kind of information I had access to and what programs I may or may not have worked with. I've had enough experience to know that U1 has been full of bovine excrement since day one.

You'd better believe there are FIS agents scouring the internet looking for security breaches. ISI, Chinese, and former FSB elements are in some ways more savvy than our own services at exploiting the Internet for leaks.

Heck, it's not that farfetched to imagine that ULTIMA1 may actually be a front for a FIS collection activity. Think about it. He goes on message boards bragging about this and that, and then those of us who know better smack him down, and in doing so, reveal ourselves as being someone who might 'know something.'
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Yes they have to by law. You do not know much about the FOIA sytem do you?

Unless the document falls into a few small catagories they must provide the document or give reason they cannot if it falls into one of the catagories.
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By law? Are you kidding me? According to you guys, the government MURDERED (which last time I checked was against the law) 3,000 people when they demolished the towers and continue to lie about it al these years.

What makes you think that they will obey the law now and send you a document which shows they are lying?

:boggled:
 
ULTIMA1 said:
I have posted plenty of documents that others have figured out where i work.
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Since you won't confirm anything about your work, how about if we meet at 9 Walnut Ln and I just take a pic of your NSA photo ID? I hope it's not just a rent-a-cop ID.

I'm not too far from you. You're usually home around 3, right?

Or, I could just stop by and wait for your dad to come home...
 
44 pages? I think I last looked in here around page 3. Can someone update me: Did U1 ever produce the promised evidence?






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I thought not :rolleyes:

Hans
 
Reheat said:
I believe this is only half correct. I know of nothing that would prevent someone from saying they had a Security Clearance (although it is certainly not wise to advertise it on the Internet = DUMB). However, there are non-disclosure documents that do prohibit discussing anything that is Classified in any way with someone who does not have the same level of clearance and also THE NEED TO KNOW the information.

This character has blatantly violated the latter prohibition (provided the information does exist in some form), but as far as I know there is nothing wrong with telling someone you do have a Security Clearance (unless this is something specifically associated with the NSA). There are documents floating around all over the place which lists individual's Security Clearance and those documents are not classified.
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You are right. I didn't mean it was illegal just highly frowned upon.
 
Gamolon said:
By law? Are you kidding me? According to you guys, the government MURDERED (which last time I checked was against the law) 3,000 people when they demolished the towers and continue to lie about it al these years.

What makes you think that they will obey the law now and send you a document which shows they are lying?

:boggled:
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And if they did send the document, why trust it?
 
tsig said:
And if they did send the document, why trust it?
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Covered previously. In the event that the docuement 16.5 and U1 recieve does not state that an intercept was successful (much less a shoot down) U1 will simply claim that the released doc is just the declassified version, or that redacted parts of the docuement are where the corroboration of his contentions is. he will then go on the claim that he has been vindicated because a docuement exists and the description of that docuement on the internet states that an intercept/shoot down did in fact take place. He may claim that in his reading of the classified version he can safely say that there are details not released in the FOIA released doc and imply that this means that the description on the internet is correct, OR , he will ignore the fact that the FOIA doc does not back up his contentions and that a description on the internet has all the veracity of a tale in which, a witch that puts a sleeping spell on a princess.

ETA: probably time to cease with the wildly off topic posts and the references to the true identity of U1 or his private life.
 
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Sabrina said:
Maybe in your little fantasy world. But out here in the real world, trust me, you have.

No i have not. I have an NSA TS/SI clearence with 6 compartments and know what i am talking about.


Probably because I reported you to the NSA SSO and they seemed to think you were in violation of several security rules. ?
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I highlighted the words you should have noticed right off.
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