Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[DOC]

No one knows who wrote the Bible.

If you knew who wrote the bible, you still wouldn't believe it, so why do you act like this matters to you. And I've already brought in evidence that the eyewitnesses John and Matthew did write their gospels.

and the earliest gospel was written at least 30-40years after the supposed death of jesus.

But that didn't stop 11 of 12 apostles from being martyred in the meantime.

There is no independent verification of any of the Bible's claims

Of course this is false, there are several.

and each of the gospels contradict themselves repeatedly.

Minor discrepancies, which legal experts will tell you is common with eyewitnesses. On the major points the gospels correlate. Actually these minor descrepencies prove the gospels were independent from each other and the authors didn't get together and smooth over their accounts.

There is no reason to believe anything the bible claims as fact or truth.

42 US. presidents and 2 billion people who claimed/claim to be Christians have found reasons.

 

[joobz]

Minor discrepancies, which legal experts will tell you is common with eyewitnesses. On the major points the gospels correlate.

If they were only minor discrepancies, yes. I would agree. However, they contradictions aren't minor.

But "There was one angel sitting atop the stone outside the tomb",

"There was one MAN sitting INSIDE the tomb",

"There were TWO men STANDING inside the tomb", and

"There were two ANGELS SITTING inside the tomb"

can all be right?

Can you imagine a DA using similar evidence to make a conviction.

Your honor we have 4 witnesses to the murder.
witness1: Yes the killer was a black man, and he was outside the building with a gun.
Witness2: Yes, there were two white killers, and they were inside the building with guns.
Witness3: The killer was a white guy and he had a knife.
Witness4: There were 2 black killers, and they were inside the building with guns.
Judge: YOur accounts do not agree, which one of you is telling the truth?
Witnesses: We all are. They are all true.
Defendant: Your Honor, we wish to file a motion to dismiss all charges on the grounds that the witnesses are retarded.

Actually these minor descrepencies prove the gospels were independent from each other and the authors didn't get together and smooth over their accounts.

actually, the factual discrepencies listed make it clear that the authors of the bible didn't all witness the events first hand and were basing the stories based upon what they heard...or were making it all up.

 

[paximperium]

If you knew who wrote the bible, you still wouldn't believe it, so why do you act like this matters to you. And I've already brought in evidence that the eyewitnesses John and Matthew did write their gospels.

No you haven't. You can keep lying to yourself about that, but it does not change reality.

Stop projecting your biases and nonsense onto others. If we knew that they were real eyewitneses, it will actually increase the likelihood of the Bible's records being true. Unlike you, I do change my mind and am not an intellectual coward.

But that didn't stop 11 of 12 apostles from being martyred in the meantime.

As have been stated multiple times. So F-ing what? They died AFTER the legend was born. Your claim continues to be nonsense.

Of course this is false, there are several.

This claim is a lie. You are a liar as have been pointed out multiple times in the thread.

Minor discrepancies, which legal experts will tell you is common with eyewitnesses. On the major points the gospels correlate. Actually these minor descrepencies prove the gospels were independent from each other and the authors didn't get together and smooth over their accounts.

There is nothing minor about any of the discrepancies. They are so blantantly wrong, that it is a joke you can even claim this nonsense.
Simple question: Who was present at the tomb when Mary and a group of women went to check of Jesus' body?

42 US. presidents and 2 billion people who claimed/claim to be Christians have found reasons.

Yawn. Your inherent continued stupid use of this Argument from Popularity continues to be an insult to intelligence.

 

[DC]

But that didn't stop 11 of 12 apostles from being martyred in the meantime.

i guess 9/11 proves that you will get how many virgins when killing infidels?

 

[DOC]

This claim is a lie. You are a liar as have been pointed out multiple times in the thread.

Give one lie I have written in my 3000+ posts and the proof it is a lie. And you have already been warned twice about personal attacks in this thread by moderators. I guess you don't take their warnings seriously.

 

[L The Detective]

How interesting. Some new person named "Hilary" shows up, makes a post, everyone responds to her, and then DOC responds to those responses, as if hoping that the question posed to him will go away.

DOC, you are a sneaky, slippery dude. Trying to have a discussion with you is like trying to catch fish bare handed.

 

[DC]

was there anybody outside of Jesus's gang that saw him reserructed?

 

[joobz]

Give one lie I have written in my 3000+ posts and the proof it is a lie. And you have already been warned twice about personal attacks in this thread by moderators. I guess you don't take their warnings seriously.

We could start with your claims of "minor" discrepencies. I've already demonstrated why they aren't minor. Yet you repeated the same line.


Hokulele demonstrated that Geisler's quotemining were lies, yet you continued to use them as though they weren't.

You've claimed to answer Six7's question, when you hadn't.

Shall I go on??

 

[paximperium]

Give one lie I have written in my 3000+ posts and the proof it is a lie. And you have already been warned twice about personal attacks in this thread by moderators. I guess you don't take their warnings seriously.

You being a liar is a statement of fact and is not a personal attack. There is nothing personal about that statement.

The lies in your post:

And I've already brought in evidence that the eyewitnesses John and Matthew did write their gospels.

Since you haven't and have been told repeatedly that you haven't it is a lie.

Of course this is false, there are several.

This is another obvious lies since you have NEVER been able to show even one independent account of Jesus from any non-Christian author, this is another lie.

I could go one, but it won't change your delusion.

 

[DC]

We could start with your claims of "minor" discrepencies. I've already demonstrated why they aren't minor. Yet you repeated the same line.


Hokulele demonstrated that Geisler's quotemining were lies, yet you continued to use them as though they weren't.

You've claimed to answer Six7's question, when you hadn't.

Shall I go on??

Thou Shalt Not Judge?

 

[L The Detective]

Give one lie I have written in my 3000+ posts and the proof it is a lie. And you have already been warned twice about personal attacks in this thread by moderators. I guess you don't take their warnings seriously.

Is calling you a "liar" technically considered a "personal attack"? I don't know, doesn't seem like it would be. Your discussion tactics are very dishonest, you know... the way you answer questions without really answering them, ignore the questions you can't think of a good answer to, and so on. Do you really not realize you are doing this, DOC?

DOC, answer this question... what is your goal of this thread? Does it have anything to do with "winning"?

 

[Mr Clingford]

was there anybody outside of Jesus's gang that saw him resurrected?

Well, if someone did meet the resurrected Jesus they might well then become part of his gang as a result, so by definition there would be no-one!

Paul writes that 500 people saw the resurrected Jesus.

 

[paximperium]

was there anybody outside of Jesus's gang that saw him reserructed?

No. In fact One(and only one)of Jesus gang(ie. Paul) claimed to have 500 independent eyewitnesses saw Jesus after the resurrection.

Shockingly, only one gospel mentions it and no other and more amazing, not one of the supposed 500 eyewitnesses wrote anything down.

 

[DC]

Well, if someone did meet the resurrected Jesus they might well then become part of his gang as a result, so by definition there would be no-one!

Paul writes that 500 people saw the resurrected Jesus.

mmmh good point, maybe that would have convinced me too

 

[paximperium]

Thou Shalt Not Judge?

But one can draw a conclusion.

 

[DC]

But one can draw a conclusion.

risky risky, but hey if you dont fear ending up in hell just keep going

 

[joobz]

Thou Shalt Not Judge?

I don't follow your meaning.

 

[joobz]

Well, if someone did meet the resurrected Jesus they might well then become part of his gang as a result, so by definition there would be no-one!

That was pretty much my take as well.

 

[paximperium]

I don't follow your meaning.

It part of the 52nd commandment...or was it the 63rd?

 

[DOC]

And I've already brought in evidence that the eyewitnesses John and Matthew did write their gospels.

Since you haven't and have been told repeatedly that you haven't it is a lie.

Well since I've been told repeatedly then you should agree to apologize if I show you are incorrect and didn't lie, right. So will you agree to apologize? I have a feeling you won't agree to apologize.