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US torturers to go free

Yes.
Justification:
But he also gave an assurance that "those who carried out their duties relying in good faith upon legal advice from the Department of Justice... will not be subject to prosecution."
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Current Policy:
During his first week in office, President Obama issued an executive order officially outlawing the use of harsh interrogation techniques by the CIA, and forcing the agency to adhere to standards laid out in the US Army Field Manual.
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How about discussing something new.

If you bothered to read repsones to your own threads you would know this already.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139930

cwalner posted 04-10-09 said:
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He has shown this level of forethought in another way that I am sure you are just as mad about. While he has put into place executive orders and policies disallowing interrogation techniques that his adminastration considers torture (such as waterboarding), he has also declined to use the executive branch to investigate and attempt to press charges against those of the previous administration for engaging in those techniques. While this might not be cosidered the 'right' thing to do by our allies, it is, in Obama's estimation the 'best' course of action for th US. Frankly, as POTUS, his primary responsibility is to do what is best for the US. I happen to agree with Obama that the diviseness such prosecutions would cause at home would be far more damaging to the US, than any benefit gained by the additional goodwill generated amongst our allies resulting from those same prosecutions.
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Bolding added, I got a hit, where do I apply for the MDC?
 
Sorry to steal your thunder here pax, but I can't resist:

My next prediction for my MDC claim is that EJ will post something along the lines of:

'Stop abusing me. pip pip'
 
theprestige said:
Personally, I'm ashamed to live in a country where interrogators have to ask for permission to use an "attention grab" on a terrorist.
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Frankly, I hope you never hold any position of authority or own a weapon. Your personality would make that a losing situation for humanity.

Torture does not work. Do you understand that? Only idiots who watch too much TV or who were brought up my narcissistic, sociopathic parents, or who suffered some sort of brain damage from substance abuse or injury think that it does.
 
ThePrestige,

Personally, I'm ashamed to live in a country where interrogators have to ask for permission to use an "attention grab" on a terrorist.
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Yes, but you believe government propaganda is acceptable
 
The president also has an interest in not making the body of CIA agents and military be fearful shifts in government policy will leave them high and dry and without a leg to stand on.

Go after the officers, perhaps, but not after the "working man", so to speak.
 
leftysergeant said:
Torture does not work. Do you understand that? Only idiots who watch too much TV or who were brought up my narcissistic, sociopathic parents, or who suffered some sort of brain damage from substance abuse or injury think that it does.
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I agree with you that torture does not work (although since you were brought up by your parents, does that mean that you do???)

However- ex post facto laws also don't work. The torture was approved from the top- so while I don't find waterboarding to be justified, I'm hard pressed to argue that it was, in a technical sense, illegal. So I favor immunity for the agents. If we're going to press charges, let's prosecute the criminals who were in charge of the sorry mess.
 
cwalner said:
Sorry to steal your thunder here pax, but I can't resist:

My next prediction for my MDC claim is that EJ will post something along the lines of:

'Stop abusing me. pip pip'
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Dagnabbit, only 50% no $1M for me :(

I forgot to take into account EJ seems to have shifted to ninja tactics and seems to be no longer responding to (or appartantly reading) his own threads.
 
Exposing someone to a caterpillar or running water up their nose isn't torture. Don't play along with the media and downgrade what torture means. When John McCain was beaten daily and bones broken, that's torture. I don't understand the thread subject at all - "US torturers to go free". No torture, no crime, nothing to be "free" from.

Give Obama some credit - he's establishing a permanent 50,000 troop force in Iraq, expanding troop operation in Afghanistan, so basically, continuing the same Bush policies in regard to the War on Terror even though he now calls it "Overseas Contingency Operation". If he mans up and starts to understand the threat from NK and Iran, he'll be fine.
 
leftysergeant said:
Frankly, I hope you never hold any position of authority or own a weapon. Your personality would make that a losing situation for humanity.
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Unless he ran as a Democrat. In which case, you'd be out campaigning for him.

Torture does not work. Do you understand that? Only idiots who watch too much TV or who were brought up my narcissistic, sociopathic parents, or who suffered some sort of brain damage from substance abuse or injury think that it does.
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Wow. What road are we walking down now?
 
paximperium said:
Yes.
Justification:

Current Policy:
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Nonsense. A country gets moral authority by behaving in a moral way, consistently and especially when right wing nutters are telling that countries institutions to do otherwise.

The USA failed to behave morally in setting up an official torture programme and instead of standing up for human rights, many US institutions, such as the US military, acquiesced and limply allowed their facilities to be used as torture centres (Guantanamo Bay, Baghram Airbase etc).

In order to facilitae these human rights abuses the USA changed the definition of torture to mean 'not torture'. In other words what the USA itself had called torture became 'not torture' for a while and bizarrely what was torture then 'not torture' is now 'torture again in the USA. Can't the right wing nutters make up their minds? Why all the flip flopping? The flip flopping occurred because it suited the USA. That is not a basis for becoming a moral country.

You either are for torture or against torture.
 
leftysergeant said:
Frankly, I hope you never hold any position of authority or own a weapon. Your personality would make that a losing situation for humanity.

Torture does not work. Do you understand that? Only idiots who watch too much TV or who were brought up my narcissistic, sociopathic parents, or who suffered some sort of brain damage from substance abuse or injury think that it does.
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I guess all the ring wing nutters on the thread and the site can't wait until the US starts 'not torturing' people all over again.
 
dudalb said:
So much for EJ's "I am not Anti American, Just Anti Bush" routine.
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Mo No. 1 Make stuff up

I notice you put some words in quotes and ascribed them to me. If this latest false claim was true you could easily quote where I said what is in your quote.

You didn't because you can't and you won't because that is who you are and what you do on this site.

isn't making stuff up about people and stalking them a very fascist thing to do? Why, yes it is.

Glad to highlight your character yet again.
Pip pip.

PS
Say hello to all your compadres and fellow stalkers for me.

Now what about the hypocrisy of the USA demanding others don't torture after torturing people itself? have you any thoughts on the topic of this thread?
 
So, you never said you were anti-Bush? Are you saying you admitted to being anti-American all along?
 
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