• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

The Heiwa Challenge

Status
Not open for further replies.
Heiwa said:
Upper part C structure can consist of anything you can think of, transformers, lemons, pizza boxes making up some sort of composite structure. Just ensure that the lower part A (A>10C) composite structure is identical in composition.

And then drop C on A. No way C can crush down A.

But if you drop a 10 000 lb transformer on a pizza box, the pizza box is probably crushed. But if you drop the pizza box on the transformer, the pizza box only bounces. That is what would have happened to WTC 1 on 911. Upper part was ... like a pizza box, compared with the lower structure (also pizza boxes but a little stronger).

Rule 1 for Heiwa Challenge. Do not mix transformers with pizza boxes.
Click to expand...

Ok.

Are you trying to tell me that a pizza box scales accordingly to one of the floors of the towers?

What if I reconstructed a scaled model of the lower two thirds of the towers using balsa wood components in place of the steel beams and columns. Then I constructed the upper third using the same balsa wood components for the structural members. Going forward, I add large solid steel cubes to the upper portion of the top third of the tower (to represent the elevator motors and transformers). I then drop the part with the solid steel cubes on top of the lower two thirds. What happens to the solid steel cubes along with the rest of the connected basla wood members?
 
Heiwa said:
Easter is past (unless you are in Egypt or Russia) and all eggs have been eaten, but anyway. Take an egg, make a hole in it and empty it and you get an empty egg. Make same thing with 39 similar eggs.

Now glue 40 empty eggs together in a structure with four eggs at bottom (2x2) and another 9 similar layers of eggs on top. You have a nice egg structure 10 eggs high (4x10). Test it that it doesn't collapse. The eggs are the elements, the glue are the joints.

Now carefully remove the top 4 egg layer - that is part C - from the 36 egg tower below - that is part A. Now drop part C on part A!

If part C crushes part A, you have won the Challenge.

You can also use eggs full of white and yellow, if you like - raw or boilt - but they must all be same throughout and glued together. BTW you dont have to glue C to A to test structure but just test A for lateral stability (that all eggs are glued). Then drop part C (4 eggs glued together) on your part A World Easter Egg Tower and report! Photos are welcome.
Click to expand...

Thanks Heiwa, much appreciated. Holy rule 10, that's a lot of eggs to waste. I'll see if i can get some out of shrinkage at a local store:D
 
Heiwa said:
Easter is past (unless you are in Egypt or Russia) and all eggs have been eaten, but anyway. Take an egg, make a hole in it and empty it and you get an empty egg. Make same thing with 39 similar eggs.

Now glue 40 empty eggs together in a structure with four eggs at bottom (2x2) and another 9 similar layers of eggs on top. You have a nice egg structure 10 eggs high (4x10). Test it that it doesn't collapse. The eggs are the elements, the glue are the joints.

Now carefully remove the top 4 egg layer - that is part C - from the 36 egg tower below - that is part A. Now drop part C on part A!

If part C crushes part A, you have won the Challenge.

You can also use eggs full of white and yellow, if you like - raw or boilt - but they must all be same throughout and glued together. BTW you dont have to glue C to A to test structure but just test A for lateral stability (that all eggs are glued). Then drop part C (4 eggs glued together) on your part A World Easter Egg Tower and report! Photos are welcome.
Click to expand...

You forgot something. Add a couple of steel ball bearings to the upper part you are dropping to represent the 10000 lb. elevator motors and transformers. NOW what happens?
 
Lennart Hyland said:
How do you know that? How do you know that if you drop 1 lemon on 10 lemons the result will be the same for a 93 floor high skyscraper that got 17 floors dropping on it?
Click to expand...

That's the result of basic physics/solid mechanics + structural damage analysis/elastic elements that deform and fail - combined + experience.

I have never dropped a 17 floors structure (63 m tall) on another 93 floors structure (344 m tall) but I have investigated a fair number of smaller collisions after drops and done plenty experiments with more easy to handle objects and done some theoretical analysis. Result is always the same - smaller, dropping part C cannot crush bigger, static part A.

If you don't believe me, enter The Heiwa Challenge and present a structure that behaves differently, e.g. is crushed down by a piece dropping on it.

OT - read my book at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/disasterinvestigation.htm for more info about similar governments' cover-ups.
 
Heiwa said:
I have never dropped a 17 floors structure (63 m tall) on another 93 floors structure (344 m tall) but I have investigated a fair number of smaller collisions after drops and done plenty experiments with more easy to handle objects and done some theoretical analysis. Result is always the same - smaller, dropping part C cannot crush bigger, static part A.
Click to expand...

Well its that I'm questioning. How can you know that your smaller structure dropps will behave just like a skyscraper!?

Just like your pizza-box experiment. It has nothing to do with a real skyscraper like the WTC!

I'm wondering this from my laymans view. Because I have zero knowledge in structural engineering.
 
twinstead said:
Cool. You appear to have a lot in common with Heiwa, then. ;)
Click to expand...

haha good one. But are my questions any relevant? Or is it just like Anders says "That's the result of basic physics/solid mechanics + structural damage analysis/elastic elements that deform and fail - combined + experience.
"?
 
KreeL said:
It appears that Heiwa pwns the non-toofers.

Again.:yikes:
Click to expand...


And yet He is complete unable to publish any of his beliefs in any legitimate publication. As opposed to legitimate engineers who have done so showing how the towers collapsed. Isn't that interesting? I guess you're impressed by pizza boxes. Maybe he could publish something in a pizza peer reviewed journal! International Journal of pizza just might accept his papers.
 
Haewa's observations have already been published years ago. You can find them by googling Conservation of Momentum and Conservation of Energy.

Have fun - don't stay pwnd too long.
 
Gamolon said:
What if I reconstructed a scaled model of the lower two thirds of the towers using balsa wood components in place of the steel beams and columns. Then I constructed the upper third using the same balsa wood components for the structural members. Going forward, I add large solid steel cubes to the upper portion of the top third of the tower (to represent the elevator motors and transformers). I then drop the part with the solid steel cubes on top of the lower two thirds. What happens to the solid steel cubes along with the rest of the connected basla wood members?
Click to expand...

Well, the structure does not conform with The Heiwa Challenge conditions BUT put also some solid steel cubes in the lower part and you are almost there. And then adjust the sizes: Thus:

Upper part C = composite balsa wood + steel cubes elements joined together
Lower part A = composite balsa wood + steel cubes elements joined together
C<1/10 A

Drop C on A and demonstrate C crushes down A. Pls send photos, &c.

In my opinion A crushes C ... as usual.
 
KreeL said:
Haewa's observations have already been published years ago. You can find them by googling Conservation of Momentum and Conservation of Energy.

Have fun - don't stay pwnd too long.
Click to expand...

Using conservation of momentum, I've proved that the collapse could indeed happen:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97584

This is OLD discussions. They ended a long time ago because the truthers lost it. People like Heiwa have to cheat to get the math to say otherwise.
 
Lennart Hyland said:
How can you know that your smaller structure dropps will behave just like a skyscraper!?

I'm wondering this from my laymans view. Because I have zero knowledge in structural engineering.
Click to expand...

Gravity forces do not differ between skyscrapers or lemons or whatever. They attract everything. And the result is always the same.
 
Heiwa said:
Well, the structure does not conform with The Heiwa Challenge conditions BUT put also some solid steel cubes in the lower part and you are almost there. And then adjust the sizes: Thus:

Upper part C = composite balsa wood + steel cubes elements joined together
Lower part A = composite balsa wood + steel cubes elements joined together
C<1/10 A

Drop C on A and demonstrate C crushes down A. Pls send photos, &c.

In my opinion A crushes C ... as usual.
Click to expand...
The steel cubes would only be on 1 floor in the first third of the tower and on one floor of the second third.

Are you telling me that the 10000 lb. elevator motors (5 tons) wouldn't rip through the steel structure and break connections?
 
Gamolon said:
The steel cubes would only be on 1 floor in the first third of the tower and on one floor of the second third.

Are you telling me that the 10000 lb. elevator motors (5 tons) wouldn't rip through the steel structure and break connections?
Click to expand...

When an elevator motor free falls it doesn't apply any force on anything!

If elevator motor impacts something, i.e. free fall is terminated, pls compare moving company dropping grand piano from window on to pavement below in old Hollywood movies. Very funny!

PS - grand piano is broken into pieces.
 
Heiwa said:
When an elevator motor free falls it doesn't apply any force on anything!

If elevator motor impacts something, i.e. free fall is terminated, pls compare moving company dropping grand piano from window on to pavement below in old Hollywood movies. Very funny!

PS - grand piano is broken into pieces.
Click to expand...

How is a 5 ton motor hitting a steel beam connecting steel columns together the same as a piano hitting solid ground?

Are you telling me that if a 5 ton motor hit the cross member of a steel structure, the motor would shatter into pieces?

So let me get this straight. According to you:

1. Solid ground = structual steel beams
2. A piano = a 5 ton elevator motor

Is that correct?
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom