US Secret Gulags Illegal Kidnapping and Transportation

[E.J.Armstrong]

So the Usian secret gulags existed and still not been fully decommissioned: -

'..Referring to "black sites," as the secret prisons were known, Panetta said the agency has a plan "to decommission the remaining sites," an apparent reference to facilities still in existence but no longer operational. He said that "Agency personnel" will take charge of that process and that any outside contracts still involved in site security will be "promptly terminated."
from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...AR2009040902497.html?wprss=rss_print/asection

'...The CIA has acknowledged that many of the prisoners were subjected to harsh interrogation techniques that were approved by the Bush administration's Justice Department. Human rights organizations, legal groups, members of Congress and a number of Obama administration officials have described those techniques -- including simulated drowning, or waterboarding -- as illegal torture. ...' from the same link

Who did the US government think it was kidding over these torture sites? Why should anyone believe the CIA now?

And illegal kidnapping and transportation for extra judicial purposes is still allowed.

See
'...Obama did not prohibit the process known as "extraordinary rendition," under which prisoners are secretly transferred from their place of capture to another country outside the United States. Panetta said that the CIA "retains the authority to detain individuals on a short-term transitory basis" but that no such detentions "have occurred since I have become director." ...'

So the Usian government still reserves the right to break international law. What a sad situation after Obama started so well. When you want to order people to obey the law it is often a good idea to start to obey the same law yourself. If you don't obey the law you don't half look stupid and hypocritical demanding that other people do so.

I do hope that Obama eventually gets the USA to obey all the laws it has signed up to. Until then don't expect people to take his or Clinton's sermons seriously.

 

[paximperium]

'..Referring to "black sites," as the secret prisons were known, Panetta said the agency has a plan "to decommission the remaining sites," an apparent reference to facilities still in existence but no longer operational. He said that "Agency personnel" will take charge of that process and that any outside contracts still involved in site security will be "promptly terminated."
from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...AR2009040902497.html?wprss=rss_print/asection

See
'...Obama did not prohibit the process known as "extraordinary rendition," under which prisoners are secretly transferred from their place of capture to another country outside the United States. Panetta said that the CIA "retains the authority to detain individuals on a short-term transitory basis" but that no such detentions "have occurred since I have become director." ...'

So the Usian government still reserves the right to break international law.

What law?

What a sad situation after Obama started so well. When you want to order people to obey the law it is often a good idea to start to obey the same law yourself. If you don't obey the law you don't half look stupid and hypocritical demanding that other people do so

Edited to remove the stupid.

I do hope that Obama eventually gets the USA to obey all the laws it has signed up to. Until then don't expect people to take his or Clinton's sermons seriously.

What laws?

 

[theprestige]

Regarding "International Law":
I am reluctant to recognize the sovreignty of any "international" executive, legislative, or judiciary entity. The whole point of nation-states--especially republics and democracies--is that I can participate in my own government. Why should I submit to any other government, except by force of arms? International law is bogus.

Regarding "Black Sites":
Here's a few things (among many) that I want from my government: Robust covert operations, espionage, and counter-espionage agencies. People that are willing and able to conduct "black" operations when necessary, to the best of their ability, according to their best understanding of the public good.

 

[dudalb]

So the Usian secret gulags existed and still not been fully decommissioned: -

'..Referring to "black sites," as the secret prisons were known, Panetta said the agency has a plan "to decommission the remaining sites," an apparent reference to facilities still in existence but no longer operational. He said that "Agency personnel" will take charge of that process and that any outside contracts still involved in site security will be "promptly terminated."
from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...AR2009040902497.html?wprss=rss_print/asection

'...The CIA has acknowledged that many of the prisoners were subjected to harsh interrogation techniques that were approved by the Bush administration's Justice Department. Human rights organizations, legal groups, members of Congress and a number of Obama administration officials have described those techniques -- including simulated drowning, or waterboarding -- as illegal torture. ...' from the same link

Who did the US government think it was kidding over these torture sites? Why should anyone believe the CIA now?

And illegal kidnapping and transportation for extra judicial purposes is still allowed.

See
'...Obama did not prohibit the process known as "extraordinary rendition," under which prisoners are secretly transferred from their place of capture to another country outside the United States. Panetta said that the CIA "retains the authority to detain individuals on a short-term transitory basis" but that no such detentions "have occurred since I have become director." ...'

So the Usian government still reserves the right to break international law. What a sad situation after Obama started so well. When you want to order people to obey the law it is often a good idea to start to obey the same law yourself. If you don't obey the law you don't half look stupid and hypocritical demanding that other people do so.

I do hope that Obama eventually gets the USA to obey all the laws it has signed up to. Until then don't expect people to take his or Clinton's sermons seriously.

:

 

[paximperium]

:

Let me get this out of the way:
"Stop abusing me. Thanks for proving my point. Pip pip."

 

[applecorped]

I guess they are not a secret anymore. Good going E.J. !!!!

 

[cwalner]

And illegal kidnapping and transportation for extra judicial purposes is still allowed.

See
'...Obama did not prohibit the process known as "extraordinary rendition," under which prisoners are secretly transferred from their place of capture to another country outside the United States. Panetta said that the CIA "retains the authority to detain individuals on a short-term transitory basis" but that no such detentions "have occurred since I have become director." ...'

Bolding mine

Please link to the particular piece of international law that prohibits the transport of captured prisoners over international borders. I am not an international legal scholar, so would like to see the treaty or international agreement that prohibits this.

I also do not fault Obama for not wanting to tie his hands too tightly, considering that this technique may be useful and neccesary considering some very likely changes in our current 'War on Terror' which Obama may have renamed but has not abandoned.

I am of course referring to likely increased activity in the borderlands between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Recent news coverage shows that the Obama administration is considering policy changes to treat both nations as a unified theatre of action. If this happens captures can likely occur on one side of the border even though the unit making the capture is based on the other side. Complete abandonment of 'Extraordinary Rendition' as you explained it would prevent the capturing unit from transporting the captive back to thier own base.

So Obama is doing away with much of the excesses of the Bush policy that created dissatisfaction at home and strained relations abroad. However, he seems to be doing this in a measured, rather than knee-jerk way to avoid creating even more problems than just dealing with the situations that he inherited from Bush.

He has shown this level of forethought in another way that I am sure you are just as mad about. While he has put into place executive orders and policies disallowing interrogation techniques that his adminastration considers torture (such as waterboarding), he has also declined to use the executive branch to investigate and attempt to press charges against those of the previous administration for engaging in those techniques. While this might not be cosidered the 'right' thing to do by our allies, it is, in Obama's estimation the 'best' course of action for th US. Frankly, as POTUS, his primary responsibility is to do what is best for the US. I happen to agree with Obama that the diviseness such prosecutions would cause at home would be far more damaging to the US, than any benefit gained by the additional goodwill generated amongst our allies resulting from those same prosecutions.

 

[GreNME]

Why is this not in conspiracy theories?

 

[Ysidro]

Where is this dastardly nation of Usia!? Why aren't we at war with them!?

 

[paximperium]

Where is this dastardly nation of Usia!? Why aren't we at war with them!?

One state over from Boston, right next to New York City and a few miles from Los Angeles. You can't miss it.