Merged bullet hole in the windshield of JFK's limo/ You might be...

[dudalb]

I dont know how many shooters there were, two certainly(the driver) and the shot which he took in the adam's apple from the front(another shooter independant of the driver) So at least two, perhaps more.My opinion is 3 or more.

Even most people who believe the JFK Conspiracy crap would laugh at that.

 

[TK0001]

I dont know how many shooters there were, two certainly(the driver) and the shot which he took in the adam's apple from the front(another shooter independant of the driver) So at least two, perhaps more.My opinion is 3 or more.

So, it is of your opinion that:

1. A mystery gunman shot from somewhere in front of the limo, through the windshield, and into Kennedy's adam's apple, deftly avoiding the rearview mirror, the driver, the other secret service agent, the governor, and the governor's seat, in broad daylight, while somehow avoiding detection from anyone on the scene.

2. Oswald shot from the 6th floor of the TSBD. Since the governor and Kennedy both reacted at the same time to their respective wounds, Oswald and the front shooter somehow timed their shots with absolute perfect precision.

3. A few seconds later, the driver deliberately stopped the limo, turned around, and fired the shot which exploded the front of Kennedy's head, also miraculously escaping detection.

Does this pretty well sum up your theory of what happened in Dealy Plaza that day? Any other shooters we need to examine? The grassy knoll shooter, perhaps? Maybe the umbrella man?

 

[SmartyPants]

roundhead,

Can you tell us what kind of gun Greer used for the fatal head shot? Can you explain why the head wound is consistent with a shot coming from behind and from a 6.5x52mm Carcano cartridge?

We'll wait.

 

[JohnG]

I dont know how many shooters there were, two certainly(the driver) and the shot which he took in the adam's apple from the front(another shooter independant of the driver) So at least two, perhaps more.My opinion is 3 or more.

Let's say that your basic premise is correct and that the "real" conspirators wanted to leave nothing to chance and so had multiple shooters stationed at various points around Dealy Plaza. They'd presumably have chosen Oswald because he was a nobody who nevertheless had ties to the Soviet Union and Cuba, but no ties, explicit or otherwise to the US Government (aside from his time in the service). Wouldn't the conspirators have employed other "patsies" with the same status/background so that there'd be no explicit ties to the Government? Once you start claiming that the cops, secret service agents and the limo driver are in on it what's the point of pointing the finger at the cipher that was Oswald? How does that make a lick of sense in your mind?

I'm hoping that someday, though I doubt it will be anytime soon, but someday you will realize just how ferociously stupid this theory of yours is. I'm tempted to call it Inspector Clouseau level stupid, but that would be quite unfair.



To Clouseau, I mean. After all, he actually solved some cases.

 

[roundhead]

Reality devoid of emotional opinion indicates that there was only one shooter, Lee Harvey Oswald. He fired three shots from a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. One shot missed.

Warren Commission conclusions

You may wish to skip down to page 18.

As soon as you link to the Warren Commision, you lose ALL credibility

 

[I Ratant]

This head wound, this one here, the ONLY wound in the back of the head.
The exit wound in the upper right of the skull shows the bullet passed from inside to outside. The beveling of the skull notch shows this .

 

[I Ratant]

As soon as you link to the Warren Commision, you lose ALL credibility

.
What could possibly be your source(s)?
Lifton?
Lane?
Their "credibility" has no status in the real world.

 

[SmartyPants]

No robot at all.

He actually brought the limo to a stop, took his left hand off the wheel, shot Kennedy in the head from over his right shoulder, then sped up the limo and drove off. And ended up in Johnson's White house for his work.

The driver was William Greer, a secret service agent. Can you tell us what he ended up doing in Johnson's White House for his work?

 

[RoboTimbo]

As soon as you link to the Warren Commision, you lose ALL credibility

You found Evalea Glanges to be credible. I think the Warren Commission can stand your credibility test.

 

[brobradh77]

Here is my take on the "conspiracy"....I really enjoy JFK discussions...OK first off Oswald was very capable of making those shots in the time frames without really rushing. Remember the first shot is at 0 sec...and from what i have seen of his military shooting records this was not a difficult shot for him..

Now the only thing I am uncomfortable with is the driver of the limo..not because i think he shot the pres...BUT because all police/protection detail are trained that if they hear shots fired you immediatley throw it in reverse...Snipers have a kill zone and the second your in it he takes the shot....That is why they are trained to throw it in reverse and get out of the kill zone..if the sniper could have taken a shot sooner he would have...That has always bothered me as to why the driver continued to drive thru the kill zone.

 

[Matthew Best]

all police/protection detail are trained that if they hear shots fired you immediatley throw it in reverse.

Got a cite for this? I have never heard of it before.

 

[JohnG]

Thrown it into reverse and struck the car a couple of feet immediately behind it or hit the motorcycle cops along side of it???

 

[SmartyPants]

Now the only thing I am uncomfortable with is the driver of the limo..not because i think he shot the pres...BUT because all police/protection detail are trained that if they hear shots fired you immediatley throw it in reverse...Snipers have a kill zone and the second your in it he takes the shot....That is why they are trained to throw it in reverse and get out of the kill zone..if the sniper could have taken a shot sooner he would have...That has always bothered me as to why the driver continued to drive thru the kill zone.

Where is the protocol for such a situation? At what point would it make sense to run over the motorcade behind you, putting their lives in danger, and then putting yourself and the president back into the line of fire? Unless I'm missing something, the best thing to do was to get on Stemmons Freeway and hightail it to the nearest hospital.

Maybe Greer's reaction time wasn't the greatest, but here's testimony explaining why he reacted the way he did (near the bottom of the page). I don't think there's anything real incriminating there, though.

ETA: The testimony is part of an overall list of sources explaining why the car slowed down. The list was compiled by conspiracy-oriented author, Vince Palamara.

 

[I Ratant]

Looking at the Zapruder film frame by frame, and comparing the position of the limosine to fixed objects in the field of view... Jean Hill and Mary Moorman didn't move during the shooting, the limosine speed is constant until -after- the third shot.
The car never slows down, and certainly never stopped.

 

[jhunter1163]

As soon as you link to the Warren Commision, you lose ALL credibility

I claim the Stundie for this one.

 

[brobradh77]

DOH! I had this nice lengthy response but i quoted someone with a URL and it voided my post..lol

Long story short...Dad was a cop and worked security detail when politicians came to town was trained in the academy and by secret service how to react in those situations. SO you would expect that if they trained police etc.. to protect lower level politicians the training for the ones protecting the president should be unriveled and more exacting...

In this assasination not one secret service guy jumped to shield the president. Isn't that what they are paid to do? or were they paid to do something else that day?

 

[SmartyPants]

Looking at the Zapruder film frame by frame, and comparing the position of the limosine to fixed objects in the field of view... Jean Hill and Mary Moorman didn't move during the shooting, the limosine speed is constant until -after- the third shot.
The car never slows down, and certainly never stopped.

Your point is well taken. The car never stopped. Never. According to testimony though, the car does slow down to about 7 or 8 mph before the final shot. However, since the car was going 11mph immediately before and all the way down Elm Street, the slow down was negligible and didn't give Oswald much more of an advantage than he already had.

Bugliosi, Reclaiming History (315n, 350n).

Conspiracists often overemphasize the slow down as if it were a stop, which it's not

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

DOH! I had this nice lengthy response but i quoted someone with a URL and it voided my post..lol

Yeah. Once you hit 15 posts you can include links. (I think the message you got tells you this, so you probably know by now, but I'm not sure.) Anyway, you can still place URLs in your posts, but they won't be hyperlinked. If you want to post http://www.example.com/check-it-out.html, just use example.com/check-it-out.html.

 

[brobradh77]

Yeah it told me the 15 post rule..eliminating my nice story..lol

 

[RoboTimbo]

I claim the Stundie for this one.

I second the nomination.