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The Heiwa Challenge

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Heiwa said:
Heiwa Challenge (as per conditions in this thread) is evidently to produce a physical, real structure that one-way crushes down - C crushing A, etc. Something for NASA or Pentagon?
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So the challenge is to get someone here to spend their time & money to try to teach something to Heiwa that he should have learned in engineering school.

I have a better idea. Why don't you (Heiwa) take your claims and a printout of your paper(s) to your nearest university and have a chat with a physics professor about your theories. Report back to us with your results.
 
nicepants said:
So the challenge is to get someone here to spend their time & money to try to teach something to Heiwa that he should have learned in engineering school.
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No, the challenge is to produce a structure A that is crushed down by a piece C of it. In engineering schools it is taught that it is not possible ... or it is taken for granted. Otherwise the whole school would just be crushed down if a piece of it dropped on it.
 
Heiwa said:
No, the challenge is to produce a structure A that is crushed down by a piece C of it. In engineering schools it is taught that it is not possible ... or it is taken for granted. Otherwise the whole school would just be crushed down if a piece of it dropped on it.
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Please produce a textbook quote with "Heiwa's Axiom" in it. It doesn't have to say "Heiwa's Axiom" in it. It can just paraphrase your B.S.

Engineering schools teach LOADPATHS. Actual, real, observed engineering.
 
Newtons Bit said:
Please produce a textbook quote with "Heiwa's Axiom" in it. It doesn't have to say "Heiwa's Axiom" in it. It can just paraphrase your B.S.

Engineering schools teach LOADPATHS. Actual, real, observed engineering.
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You mean Björkman's Axiom regarding structures? Just google!
 
Heiwa said:
No, the challenge is to produce a structure A that is crushed down by a piece C of it. In engineering schools it is taught that it is not possible ... or it is taken for granted. Otherwise the whole school would just be crushed down if a piece of it dropped on it.
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So the challenge is to produce a structre whose collapse is nothing at all like the way the WTC towers collapsed.

Why don't you (Heiwa) take your claims and a printout of your paper(s) to your nearest university and have a chat with a physics professor about your theories. Report back to us with your results.
 
Myriad said:
whoever puts up the money naturally gets to name the challenge. Respectfully,
Myriad
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just an idea. if you are genuinely interested in attempting the challenge. why dont you make a cost analysis of all the material you will need. and we all pitch in a small donation towards the effort. (I can personally vouch for 20 dollars). in that we way, both truthers and debunkers are all united in pursuit of the truth. i imagine the money could be accumulated as soon as christmas if marketed right.

peace
 
thewholesoul said:
just an idea. if you are genuinely interested in attempting the challenge. why dont you make a cost analysis of all the material you will need. and we all pitch in a small donation towards the effort. (I can personally vouch for 20 dollars). in that we way, both truthers and debunkers are all united in pursuit of the truth. i imagine the money could be accumulated as soon as christmas if marketed right.

peace
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I say whoever wants this model built can pay for it. Perhaps heiwa would share the cost with you.
 
nicepants said:
I say whoever wants this model built can pay for it. Perhaps heiwa would share the cost with you.
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i would certainly hope so. but every dollar counts even the one you could donate, provided of course you would want to see the heiwa challenge tested.

besides it was just an idea. however if there was a secure location to place the money i am sure that nearly all truthers would donate a dollar. and i would expect most interested jreffers to contribute also.

peace
 
thewholesoul said:
i would certainly hope so. but every dollar counts even the one you could donate, provided of course you would want to see the heiwa challenge tested.
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It would be fun to see, but hardly relevant or necessary, and not worth spending my money on....not when have my choice of many delicious items on the taco bell value menu which can be purchased with that dollar.

thewholesoul said:
besides it was just an idea. however if there was a secure location to place the money i am sure that nearly all truthers would donate a dollar. and i would expect most interested jreffers to contribute also.

peace
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You would probably need more than $1 from every truther.
Richard Gage can't even get $6,000 for his booth at the AIA convention. Then there's the fact that $1 donations are impractical due to the processing fees (if electronic) and the postage fees (if physical money is used).

I think a much more valueable use of resources would be for Heiwa to jaunt down to the physics department at his nearest university with a couple of his papers to see what some of the experts think about them.
 
roundhead,

roundhead said:
Heiwa knows that only anti science can explain the 9/11 jibberish NIST excretes.

His Million is safe
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You are right.

His money is, in fact, safe.

So is my Unicorn.

They are both safe for exactly the same reason. Neither exists.

;-)

tk
 
This is just too good for words...

Heiwa,

Heiwa said:
You are mixing up A as in Axiom and C as in Challenge. No money in the Heiwa Challenge as clearly indicated in the conditions.

Can't you read?
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You better have a chat with ole Billy.

He's been publicly putting you on the hook for a cool $1 million USD.

I will refer you to his post:

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04T49GGG7HFO/post88841

In which he states IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS ("... because that the way Billy rolls"):

"Heiwa, aka Anders Bjorkmann, internationallly reknowned engineer has offered one Million Dollars to anybody who can verify Bazant's hypothesis of he collapse of WTC1."

And now for the BETTER NEWS.

[I am laughing so hard that I can barely type....!!!]

And it appears that someone we might know has been a busy little bee.

Look what I've found over at the 9/11 Citizen Investigation...
http://www.rinf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20002&postcount=64

"Heiwa is Anders Bjorkmn, a Swedish Naval architect specialising in structural damage analysis. He has advised the UN and has an international reputation.
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The reason why I offer $1M to anybody that can disprove my axiom, &c, is as follows:

It is very simple to model a One-way Crush down process. Take an object A and put in on the ground and then another object C. You drop C on A and A is crushed.

Why is that?
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The Challenge is to prove me wrong! "
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Will you look at that, Anders.

"... I offer $1 million..."
"... MY axiom ..."
"... Prove ME wrong ..."


All in the FIRST PERSON. How about that.

You know, Heiwa, Billy concluded his post above with the following:

"This news [of YOUR $1 million challenge] will quickly run through the world's engineering community and should cause hundreds of thousands of engineers to really look into the collapse hypothesis for the first time."

Old Billy was talking about this "going viral across the internet". Of course, he plays the role of Typhoid Annie.

You know, Heiwa, this may be the very first time that Billy's been right about anything... There may very well be "hundreds of thousands of engineers" out there in the world looking to pay off their mortgage, put their kids thru school, retire to Bora Bora. Who might just figure to let you finance their plans...

Bwahahahahahahaha...

It could not possibly happen to a pair of more deserving guys.

heh...
heh...
heh...

tk

PS. I would like a little recognition [perhaps the James Randi Million dollars?) for my psychic powers, in that I predicted, back on May 24th, that you would find some contrived reason to (is "welsh on a bet" a perjorative against the fine people of Wales??) back out of the challenge.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04T49GGG7HFO/post89728
tomk said:
Heiwa doesn't have $1 million. The business world doesn't reward technically incompetent people. There WILL come out some obscure, bizarre reason, some excuse that Heiwa will generate to rationalize, in his mind anyway, canceling this challenge.
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Unfortunately, I must admit that I was totally wrong. It was a momentary lapse of precision. If I'd hadn't been distracted, I am sure that I would have gotten it right, because these are the sort of details that I (as do most engineers) pride myself on getting just right.

I said that you'd "cancel the challenge".

I should have phrased it that you'd "find some way to back out of paying off if/when you lost the bet".

DAMN crystal ball must be broken...
 
tfk said:
Heiwa,



You better have a chat with ole Billy.

He's been publicly putting you on the hook for a cool $1 million USD.

I will refer you to his post:

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04T49GGG7HFO/post88841

In which he states IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS ("... because that the way Billy rolls"):

"Heiwa, aka Anders Bjorkmann, internationallly reknowned engineer has offered one Million Dollars to anybody who can verify Bazant's hypothesis of he collapse of WTC1."

And now for the BETTER NEWS.

[I am laughing so hard that I can barely type....!!!]

And it appears that someone we might know has been a busy little bee.

Look what I've found over at the 9/11 Citizen Investigation...
http://www.rinf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20002&postcount=64

"Heiwa is Anders Bjorkmn, a Swedish Naval architect specialising in structural damage analysis. He has advised the UN and has an international reputation.
**************************
The reason why I offer $1M to anybody that can disprove my axiom, &c, is as follows:

It is very simple to model a One-way Crush down process. Take an object A and put in on the ground and then another object C. You drop C on A and A is crushed.

Why is that?
<snip>

The Challenge is to prove me wrong! "
___

Will you look at that, Anders.

"... I offer $1 million..."
"... MY axiom ..."
"... Prove ME wrong ..."


All in the FIRST PERSON. How about that.

You know, Heiwa, Billy concluded his post above with the following:

"This news [of YOUR $1 million challenge] will quickly run through the world's engineering community and should cause hundreds of thousands of engineers to really look into the collapse hypothesis for the first time."

Old Billy was talking about this "going viral across the internet". Of course, he plays the role of Typhoid Annie.

You know, Heiwa, this may be the very first time that Billy's been right about anything... There may very well be "hundreds of thousands of engineers" out there in the world looking to pay off their mortgage, put their kids thru school, retire to Bora Bora. Who might just figure to let you finance their plans...

Bwahahahahahahaha...

It could not possibly happen to a pair of more deserving guys.

heh...
heh...
heh...

tk

PS. I would like a little recognition [perhaps the James Randi Million dollars?) for my psychic powers, in that I predicted, back on May 24th, that you would find some contrived reason to (is "welsh on a bet" a perjorative against the fine people of Wales??) back out of the challenge.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04T49GGG7HFO/post89728


Unfortunately, I must admit that I was totally wrong. It was a momentary lapse of precision. If I'd hadn't been distracted, I am sure that I would have gotten it right, because these are the sort of details that I (as do most engineers) pride myself on getting just right.

I said that you'd "cancel the challenge".

I should have phrased it that you'd "find some way to back out of paying off if/when you lost the bet".

DAMN crystal ball must be broken...
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Moderator, why not put this thread on moderation!
 
Heiwa said:
Moderator, why not put this thread on moderation!
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The post you responded to was directly on point.

Just produce evidence that you have the million dollars and the questions go away.

Simple, really.
 
Heiwa said:
Moderator, why not put this thread on moderation!
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Your challenge has been accepted as long as you show - in a truly legal sense - that you are able to pay even a mere $100,000. Yet you have avoided that whole issue. Why?

p.s. I asked you to demonstrate the bona fides of your so-called "European Agency for Safety at Sea". A v.a.t. or company registration number for example. Please respond.
 
Heiwa said:
No, the challenge is to produce a structure A that is crushed down by a piece C of it. In engineering schools it is taught that it is not possible ... or it is taken for granted. Otherwise the whole school would just be crushed down if a piece of it dropped on it.
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Why don't you just build your own structure and prove Bazant incorrect?
 
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