How to spot the fundie atheists

[geni]

Do you seriously teach 10 year olds the rules of football when they're learning to play basketball?

Was there meant to be a coherent argument there?

 

[fls]

What is less trumpeted is research on the Crreationists actual beliefs and attitudes. I can't tell you about formal adherence (church attendance) because i can;t find any data, but I can tell you what seems to shock many people -in a survey in the USA of attitudes to Creationism being taufght in schools, 83% approve of the teaching of alternatives to Evolution in the classroom,but 79% believe that you can be a Christian and believe in Evolution. So that means about 5% of Creationists doubt that Christians can believe in Evolution? That does not sound much like fundamentalism to me? So we take 5% of 10%, and that gives us 0.5% Look at the New York Times, 11th March 2000, for the article on the research. It is widely ignored. I'll try to find proper citations on my return, and expand a little more on why fundamentalism is a tiny and vocal minority masquerading as normative, even in the USA.

http://67.192.238.59/multimedia/pdf/Reports/evolutionandcreationisminpubliceducation.pdf

 

[geni]

What you say is :

simplification = lie.

1)It isn't presented as a simplification
2)It's extreamly questionable if it is a valid simplification since it is more an obsolete scientific theory.

Still in the context of the original statement argueing that it is a simplifation doesn't help you since we could just argue that the 10 year old version of god is just a simplification.

 

[Ladewig]

http://67.192.238.59/multimedia/pdf/Reports/evolutionandcreationisminpubliceducation.pdf

Only a minority of the public (fewer than 3 in 10) wants Creationism taught as science in public schools

That statistic supports my claim that the number of fundamentalist Christians in the U.S. is at least four orders of magnitude larger than .0005%.

 

[Mister Agenda]

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What is less trumpeted is research on the Crreationists actual beliefs and attitudes. I can't tell you about formal adherence (church attendance) because i can;t find any data, but I can tell you what seems to shock many people -in a survey in the USA of attitudes to Creationism being taufght in schools, 83% approve of the teaching of alternatives to Evolution in the classroom,but 79% believe that you can be a Christian and believe in Evolution. So that means about 5% of Creationists doubt that Christians can believe in Evolution? That does not sound much like fundamentalism to me? So we take 5% of 10%, and that gives us 0.5% Look at the New York Times, 11th March 2000, for the article on the research. It is widely ignored. I'll try to find proper citations on my return, and expand a little more on why fundamentalism is a tiny and vocal minority masquerading as normative, even in the USA.


I have to go do a tutorial now, but when I get back I'll explore a little more the steretype of the Creationist, and its mythic qualities.
cj x

The United Pentecostal Church, to which I used to belong, numbers about 600,000 in the USA. They are a fundamentalist, creationist sect. By themselves they constitute about .2% of US population. I can testify (!) that they really are inerrantist fundamentalists. Add in the JWs, Church of God, and so forth, and the idea that Christian (or Christian-ish) fundamentalists are extremely rare seems doubtful. I'm not claiming double-digits, but surely over 2%.

 

[cj.23]

The United Pentecostal Church, to which I used to belong, numbers about 600,000 in the USA. They are a fundamentalist, creationist sect. By themselves they constitute about .2% of US population. I can testify (!) that they really are inerrantist fundamentalists. Add in the JWs, Church of God, and so forth, and the idea that Christian (or Christian-ish) fundamentalists are extremely rare seems doubtful. I'm not claiming double-digits, but surely over 2%.

Yep, sounds right and you will know far better than me - and what fls has shown too supports this - and with other US sects, maybe 5% of US Christians .So as a total of all Christians, probably 0.005%, as I said?

cj x

 

[cj.23]

21% of Americans a go to church one or more times a week (2006). About 61 million people, or 3% of the Christians in the world. So if even 10% of US Christians are literalist Creationists, then that represents a VERY small percentage. Figures for Creationism in UK Church goers suggest less than 2% - more as I find the data.

 

[Lucian]

You uphold a woman’s right to choose, unless a woman chooses adoption, chooses to be a stay-at-home mom, chooses to homeschool, or chooses to start a business.

Well, they got me pegged. We shouldn't allow women to give up their children for adoption or, perhaps, adopt children themselves (the phrase, "unless a woman chooses adoption" is ambiguous). And I just won't stand for them staying at home to raise their kids OR starting a business. They should all be secretaries or, oh I don't know, medical coding and billing assistants.

Wait, I'm a woman and I'm not a secretary. Bad fundie atheist woman, bad, BAD.

 

[thesyntaxera]

I only got as far as the first 25 or so; I scrolled down and saw there were 400-and-something.

I suspect that if they distilled it down to a couple dozen, they'd have some decent jabs. But there's so much silliness and contradiction in there that they just look silly. Not to mention that they're using a nonsensical term, "fundamentalist atheist."

At least when we bother to insult Christians, we usually get our terminology straight.

I agree. I didn't bother to read all of them after I got through two parts and realized the length. Maybe we should email them tips on making fun of atheists...

Umm, really?

Like, totally.

 

[Dorfl]

You're saving up to move to some more enlightened place, like Sweden.

I feel oddly flattered.

 

[Madalch]

Well, they got me pegged. We shouldn't allow women to give up their children for adoption or, perhaps, adopt children themselves (the phrase, "unless a woman chooses adoption" is ambiguous).

I think that the fundie considers all atheists to be vehemently pro-choice, and thus "choosing adoption" refers to having an unwanted child and then putting it up for adoption, rather than the atheistically-acceptable abortion.

He's imagining atheists jumping up and down in fury, shouting "How dare she not abort! We need that blood sacrifice to our non-beliefs!"

 

[Aitch]

Maybe we need a Darwin fish-badge that says: Hi! I'm a fundie atheist. Ask me how.

 

[The Man]

Q: “How to spot the fundie atheists?”

A: “It’s tattooed on the backs of their necks”


Next weeks question

Q: “How to Recognise Different Types of Trees From Quite a Long Way Away?”

 

[Ladewig]

Yep, sounds right and you will know far better than me - and what fls has shown too supports this - and with other US sects, maybe 5% of US Christians .So as a total of all Christians, probably 0.005%, as I said?

cj x

I misunderstood the claim.

 

[ddt]

Q: “How to Recognise Different Types of Trees From Quite a Long Way Away?”

Youtube link

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[ddt]

Youtube link

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Another try:

 

[Lucian]

I think that the fundie considers all atheists to be vehemently pro-choice, and thus "choosing adoption" refers to having an unwanted child and then putting it up for adoption, rather than the atheistically-acceptable abortion.

He's imagining atheists jumping up and down in fury, shouting "How dare she not abort! We need that blood sacrifice to our non-beliefs!"

Yeah, I get that. And, of course, I want to kill all babies (it was in the pro-choice atheist contract I signed), but why should I be against a woman starting her own business?

 

[Radically Rethinking]

What changed?

My beliefs, simply put. (although I wouldn't call myself an atheist, yet) But it's more than that, just by looking around here anyone can see that most of that list isn't even remotely close to the truth.

Are we certain this site isn't a Poe? This is just too stupid, even for this kind of people:

I'm afraid not, Tektonics is one of the more well-known evangelical websites, mostly because of the satirical tone. However, since that list is mostly done by guest contributors, a poe could've slipped in there.

I've still got a bit of a soft spot for JP Holding/Robert Turkel, who runs that site, just because of the turns of phrase he comes up with. For example, "you were too busy waving your giant pee-pee around that you bonked yourself in the head with it and didn't notice." How can you not love pure comedy gold like that?

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

Double post.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

... but why should I be against a woman starting her own business?

Because thanks to decades of Cold War propaganda about "godless commies," atheists are automatically assumed to be Marxists out to destroy free enterprise, seize the means of production, and begin the Dictatorship of the Proletariat where capitalists will be put to death for trumped-up "crimes against The People."