How much did Jesus need to suffer?

[maddog]

I like how the health department warns them to get tetanus shots before jamming nails through their hands, rather than suggest they not jam nails through their hands.

 

[timhau]

I like how the health department warns them to get tetanus shots before jamming nails through their hands, rather than suggest they not jam nails through their hands.

That is presumably because it's better to have religious nuts with holes in their hands than religious nuts with lockjaw and holes in their hands.

 

[Third Eye Open]

Let's assume Jesus existed and was crucified.

Let's assume that it was horrible torture and lasted for days.

Let's assume that this was to pay for the worlds sins.


Now, if we take all the people in the world who have ever lived (after jesus) and all their sins, and divide up Jesus' suffering so that each person is responsible for an equal piece of Jesus' pain, then it really is nothing to feel bad about anymore.

Days of suffering divided by billions turns into separate instances of insignificance.

I am responsible for Jesus feeling a pinpricks worth of pain. Oh no, I feel so bad.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

Yikes.

I like how the health department warns them to get tetanus shots before jamming nails through their hands, rather than suggest they not jam nails through their hands.

If the fact that the catholic church "frowns on the practice" doesn't dissuade them, I doubt the health department would be able to convince them.

 

[Thunder]

Jesus was not crucified. He was hung from a tree.

 

[madurobob]

Jesus was not crucified. He was hung from a tree.

[paraphrasing mel brooks]
disciple: "Jesus! They said you was hung!"
Jesus: "And they was right!"
[/paraphrasing mel brooks]

 

[timhau]

Jesus was not crucified. He was hung from a tree.

So... why do christians wear crosses instead of nooses as jewelry?

 

[six7s]

So... why do christians wear crosses instead of nooses as jewelry?

To be consistent

As it wasn't in the beginning, nor was it in the end and neither will it be for ever and ever. Amen

 

[madurobob]

Let's assume Jesus existed and was crucified.

Let's assume that it was horrible torture and lasted for days.

Let's assume that this was to pay for the worlds sins.


Now, if we take all the people in the world who have ever lived (after jesus) and all their sins, and divide up Jesus' suffering so that each person is responsible for an equal piece of Jesus' pain, then it really is nothing to feel bad about anymore.

Days of suffering divided by billions turns into separate instances of insignificance.

I am responsible for Jesus feeling a pinpricks worth of pain. Oh no, I feel so bad.

JesusMath doesn't work like that. YOU are responsible for EVERY BIT of his suffering. So is everyone else. Its kinda the inverse of watching a sports broadcast everyone else is watching. You don't witness just one billionth of it because there are a billion people watching. You all witness all of it.

 

[six7s]

How much did Jesus need to suffer?

If it were so important for Jesus to suffer for our sins, then why didn't he suffer to an extraordinary degree? Why is it sufficient for him to get up on the cross and be out of his misery in a relatively short time, when so many others went through far worse?

Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this.

From a sane perspective, he didn't need to suffer at all...

However, it seems like the character portrayed in teh bible and his followers wanted to believe/pretend that he suffered... a little bit... not too much, though...

If he'd intentionally contracted some (non-contagious) incurable, agonising wasting disease that crippled him for 42,000 years then I imagine he'd win a few converts... But a few hours in the mid-day sun? Pish! What a wuss!

 

[The Atheist]

I saw a special on the history channel a while back about the history of crucifixion.

Bah.

Crucifixion's a doddle.

 

[six7s]

Crucifixion's a doddle.

Compared to an eternity burning in hell? Infinitesimally doddlicious

 

[suicidesamurai]

So this guy knows he is the Son of God. He knows he needs to suffer and "die" (afterward getting to spend eternity in paradise) for our sins. So he does it. Who wouldn't do that? He is special for doing something a rapist would do. Christians feel so grateful for our Original Sin being absolved by God when he is the one that gave it to us in the first place.

 

[timhau]

For an all-powerful creator of the universe, god sure does act weird. A lot of that stuff would make much more sense if he was a petty low-level executive in a universe where someone else makes the rules and he just enforces them.

 

[Moochie]

Until the dial went to eleventy?


(Sorry if this has already been mooted.)


M.

 

[maddog]

Infinitesimally doddlicious

Nominated for JREF band name.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Bah.

Crucifixion's a doddle.

According to the documentary (which was repeated last night, by the way), the earliest form of what could be considered crucifixion was simply to impale a person on a stake, facing upwards, so that his head and feet dangled on either side. The impalement was done very carefully so the person didn't die right away, but hung there moaning for days while his friends and relatives passed by and learned by example.

That makes the Roman version sound almost humane.

 

[H3LL]

Jesus is God. God is Jesus, IIRC.

As God he didn't need to suffer one iota. After all what's a nail and a bit of hanging around to an all powerful, universe creating being. Did God get blisters while moulding the Sun? Did God get rad burns making a super-nova? I think not.

Did Jesus suffer?

It's a bit like asking a BDSM fan if the knot's too tight.

Now if you had asked me if Jesus pretended to suffer, I would have to say a big yes.

After all, Jesus, the immortal son of his immortal self pretended to die, it seems par for the course to pretend to suffer.

Jesus - The great pretender.

Am I missing something?



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[aggle-rithm]

For an all-powerful creator of the universe, god sure does act weird. A lot of that stuff would make much more sense if he was a petty low-level executive in a universe where someone else makes the rules and he just enforces them.

Apparently, Jesus was an intern who just got a lousy assignment.

Of course, he was also God.

Don't try to figure it out. Just accept it.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

Apparently, Jesus was an intern who just got a lousy assignment.

Of course, he was also God.

Don't try to figure it out. Just accept it.

I still vote that he has OCD. He's got to make up and obey his own rituals, ya know?